by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 5:45 pm
by Drew Durrnil » Sun May 24, 2020 5:49 pm
Rosartemis wrote:DOWN WITH UEPU THOSE DAMNED RAIDERS!
by Albrenia » Sun May 24, 2020 5:49 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Sun May 24, 2020 5:51 pm
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 5:52 pm
Stellar Colonies wrote:Yes, of course.
Once anyone reaches the required minimum age, they should automatically be granted the right to vote. At this point, we should either extend this requirement to women and girls (Reducing right across the board, not ideal), or remove this requirement from men and boys (Increasing rights across the board, ideal).
The volunteer military is sufficient.
by Stellar Colonies » Sun May 24, 2020 5:54 pm
Galloism wrote:Stellar Colonies wrote:Yes, of course.
Once anyone reaches the required minimum age, they should automatically be granted the right to vote. At this point, we should either extend this requirement to women and girls (Reducing right across the board, not ideal), or remove this requirement from men and boys (Increasing rights across the board, ideal).
The volunteer military is sufficient.
I am of the opinion of removing it entirely or, if not removed, at least don't condition the right to vote on it.
The right to vote should not be conditional for citizens.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Estanglia » Sun May 24, 2020 5:55 pm
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 5:58 pm
Albrenia wrote:Although OP is making a nice example of a good argument phrased badly,
by Albrenia » Sun May 24, 2020 6:00 pm
by Solomons Land » Sun May 24, 2020 6:02 pm
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 6:02 pm
Albrenia wrote:Galloism wrote:What do you mean?
I'll admit I kind of threw this op together, didn't take the hours I usually take to make an OP, but i didn't think I needed to put oodles or research into it like i usually do.
I mean "The possibility of Conscription should not be a requirement to vote" is a message that you'll get enormous support for. "Men need to finally be able to vote" is something which comes off, on the face of it, as silly despite in context your argument makes a lot of sense. Men have the right to vote already, you just want to make it more fair and even.
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 6:05 pm
Solomons Land wrote:While I agree that the draft should be abolished, I disagree with the notion in the assertion that men are generally disenfranchised in America. While the draft is sexually discriminatory, it is a very small part of American life. By and large, men and women are treated equally in this country (which is not entirely a good thing.) I would like to see the statistic that shows men are more likely to be prosecuted for crimes in the same circumstances as women. I know there are far more men in jail than women, but men are also far more likely to commit crimes.
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.
by Albrenia » Sun May 24, 2020 6:05 pm
Galloism wrote:Albrenia wrote:
I mean "The possibility of Conscription should not be a requirement to vote" is a message that you'll get enormous support for. "Men need to finally be able to vote" is something which comes off, on the face of it, as silly despite in context your argument makes a lot of sense. Men have the right to vote already, you just want to make it more fair and even.
Um, they really don't. They get the privilege of voting after they take an action - namely, signing up to die, and a responsibility (reporting if you ever move to the state, for years). Failure to do either one and you lose the right to vote.
These are not suffered by women, who receive the right to vote immediately and without having to sign up to die.
Saying men have the right to vote is as silly as saying you have the right to a paycheck from your job. That's only true if you show up and work, at which point it's not a "right", it's a privilege you get for taking certain actions.
by Agarntrop » Sun May 24, 2020 6:06 pm
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 6:07 pm
Albrenia wrote:Galloism wrote:Um, they really don't. They get the privilege of voting after they take an action - namely, signing up to die, and a responsibility (reporting if you ever move to the state, for years). Failure to do either one and you lose the right to vote.
These are not suffered by women, who receive the right to vote immediately and without having to sign up to die.
Saying men have the right to vote is as silly as saying you have the right to a paycheck from your job. That's only true if you show up and work, at which point it's not a "right", it's a privilege you get for taking certain actions.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying you phrased it to give the maximum possible resistance in people's minds. A lot of people will see the thread title and immediately come into it looking to disagree, what with the state of gender politics in the US and all.
by Heloin » Sun May 24, 2020 6:07 pm
Agarntrop wrote:Women should have to sign up too imo.
If it becomes neccesary, the selective service system could be a good deterrent to foreign attackers.
by Albrenia » Sun May 24, 2020 6:09 pm
Galloism wrote:Albrenia wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying you phrased it to give the maximum possible resistance in people's minds. A lot of people will see the thread title and immediately come into it looking to disagree, what with the state of gender politics in the US and all.
Seems to be going ok so far.
by Kathol Rift » Sun May 24, 2020 6:12 pm
by Agarntrop » Sun May 24, 2020 6:19 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Sun May 24, 2020 6:24 pm
by ArenaC » Sun May 24, 2020 6:24 pm
by -Ebola- » Sun May 24, 2020 6:27 pm
by Agarntrop » Sun May 24, 2020 6:28 pm
by Galloism » Sun May 24, 2020 6:31 pm
-Ebola- wrote:"Is time for Men to get the right to vote?"
Cut the drama, dude.
They should get rid of selective service, but it's fucking insulting comparing that with historical systems where some people were genuinely unable to vote.
This is like those white people who think they're oppressed because one guy called them racist.
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