RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Cekoviu]

This is how progressivism, which is a holiness spiral, works.

First, propose some ridiculous and outrageous change to the functional (note: important) system. Some examples are:

• The age of consent should be abolished, [1]
• Children should be dressed up in drag and serenaded in front of sexually charged men like strippers, [1], [2]
• People with penises should use the same bathrooms as people with vaginas, [1], [2]
• People should be given jobs or places at university based on their race, [1], [2]
• (and it should not be possible to fire them) [1]
• People should be given money in exchange for not having a job, [1], [2]
• And many others besides.

Fascinating that you've put "help oppressed people" and "increase economic equality" in with "we should molest children." Your ardent opposition to equity almost makes it seem like you're a reactionary right-winger masquerading as a leftist :^)

Secondly, when ordinary people attack these ideas precisely because they're obviously dsyfunctional and crazy, rather than just weird or incomprehensible, progressives hope to attack and browbeat them. The choice to attack plainly functional parts of society and propose replacing them with dysfunctional ideas offers progressives two major tactical options: (a) normal people easily get baited by such ideas (imagine if I went to work and proposed that I got money for not turning up and that it would impossible to fire me) precisely because they are so dysfunctional and stupid and (b) tactical flexibility in choosing whatever topic they want. Notice how progressives easily swap from one area (children should be allowed to watch pornography) to the next (sex work should be promoted) easily, confusing normal resistance.

Thirdly, when this tactical direction works, ordinary people repent and apologise for resisting the demands, and progressives can move to the next thing. This is how they were able to legalise crime and fill the airwaves with ridiculous sexual propaganda, eliminating the stuffy educationalist media of the past — just two examples. When ordinary people say er, no that's a terrible idea, progressives can double down. They bait a lot of people into their idea and then attack them for heresy and hope they repent. They often do. In the face of aggression, most people compromise or become quiet, because most people are playing a co-operate/co-operate game in society — the heuristic that if they act in a co-operative way, others will too. But progressives don't play this game; they're defectors, because they've realised if they opt out of this trust system they can get people to do what they want.

This is just total bullshit with no rational response so

Fourthly, ordinary people sometimes resist. Not always in the most helpful of ways. Progressives went too hard on the "countries shouldn't have borders" angle in 2016, resulting in Brexit and Trump. They made a tactical blunder, but they're coming back. You need to know how to resist progressives, by having the strength of mind not to just accept that you are a heretic, but embrace it as well.

Imagine misunderstanding global geopolitics this bad jfc
Progressive advocacy for "countries not having borders" is not the reason for Brexit and Trump, this is a PragerU-level bad take

[Cekoviu]

Now you've done it -- you've made me defend progressivism!

[Galloism]

Now you've done it -- you've made me defend progressivism!

Please have yourself lashed.

[Cekoviu]

Now you've done it -- you've made me defend progressivism!

Please have yourself lashed.

will do owo

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Fascinating that you've put "help oppressed people" and "increase economic equality" in with "we should molest children." Your ardent opposition to equity almost makes it seem like you're a reactionary right-winger masquerading as a leftist :^)

I don't think I have ever shown an ardent opposition to equity

Actually my economic positions are probably the most equalitarian of all the RWDT regulars. But that's not the point (as you have actually just demonstrated for us perfectly)

UBI is a stupid idea, for instance. But the point isn't that UBI is bad for whatever reason. The point is that its prima facie insane. Pay people to do nothing. If you propose it you can draw in normies into committing heresy.

This is just total bullshit with no rational response so

No, this is how it works

"activists" exploit most peoples co-operate/co-operate tendency to achieve change

Progressive advocacy for "countries not having borders" is not the reason for Brexit and Trump, this is a PragerU-level bad take

Yeah actually I overstated that one a bit. But it's still true. Both Brexit and Trump 16 were on VERY narrow margins. The Left's insistence that countries shouldn't have borders is probably responsible for pushing them over the line just that little bit. But of course we'll never know.

[Cekoviu]

Fascinating that you've put "help oppressed people" and "increase economic equality" in with "we should molest children." Your ardent opposition to equity almost makes it seem like you're a reactionary right-winger masquerading as a leftist :^)

I don't think I have ever shown an ardent opposition to equity

Actually my economic positions are probably the most equalitarian of all the RWDT regulars. But that's not the point (as you have actually just demonstrated for us perfectly)

fun fact: money is not the only thing that exists, social equity is also a thing! the fact that you're in favor of women getting sexually assaulted and oppressed ethnic minorities continuing to undergo cycles of socioeconomic oppression are anti-equity positions that would be expected of your garden variety misogynist ancap

UBI is a stupid idea, for instance. But the point isn't that UBI is bad for whatever reason. The point is that its prima facie insane. Pay people to do nothing. If you propose it you can draw in normies into committing heresy.

It might seem insane based on 0 thought, but it's also very useful during the decline of capitalism before we can institute socialism.

No, this is how it works

"activists" exploit most peoples co-operate/co-operate tendency to achieve change

mmk

Yeah actually I overstated that one a bit. But it's still true. Both Brexit and Trump 16 were on VERY narrow margins. The Left's insistence that countries shouldn't have borders is probably responsible for pushing them over the line just that little bit. But of course we'll never know.

- The Left is not a thing
- The Left does not "insist that countries shouldn't have borders"
- this is totally speculative and dumb

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

fun fact: money is not the only thing that exists, social equity is also a thing! the fact that you're in favor of women getting sexually assaulted and oppressed ethnic minorities continuing to undergo cycles of socioeconomic oppression are anti-equity positions that would be expected of your garden variety misogynist ancap

sure, I accept that. here's the problem:

I'm not talking about changing laws or things to make peoples lives better, since I'm plainly not an ancap. Progressives choose a target that is intentionally dysfunctional specifically in order to challenge people to accept something that is obviously stupid.

Once you have made people say 1+1=3, you can make them do anything.

- The Left is not a thing
- The Left does not "insist that countries shouldn't have borders"

lol

[Neutraligon]

this is what progressives actually believe

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Apparently you are not learning. Have a *** 2 week ban *** for trolling

[Nap the Magnificent]

this is what progressives actually believe

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Apparently you are not learning. Have a *** 2 week ban *** for trolling

Why are you so shit at being a mod?

[Nakena]

Those bans are disproportionate.

[Nap the Magnificent]

This is why bad faith debaters/rats shouldn't be entertained ITT anymore.

[Loben The 2nd]

oh....spicey.

[Loben The 2nd]

Those bans are disproportionate.

i dunno, they let pedo's run free apparently for a long time before they finally got around to cleaning it up so.....

[Katganistan]

Apparently you are not learning. Have a *** 2 week ban *** for trolling

Why are you so shit at being a mod?

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Nap the Magnificent]

Those bans are disproportionate.

Especially when you consider that "All X are Y" is a bullshit rule that they don't dare to enforce even when it is blatant so long as it is against acceptable targets.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Why are you so shit at being a mod?

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Italios]

what the fuck? how is that worthy of a ban lol

every time a good poster gets banned we should just not post here for two weeks in solidarity. free vacations for everyone!

[Kyrusia]

Y'all can sit for a bit while content is reviewed. This may take a bit.

[Kyrusia]

Those bans are disproportionate.

If they are so inclined, they can appeal it. You cannot. Nor is it the topic of this thread. *** Warning for threadjacking. ***

i dunno, they let pedo's run free apparently for a long time before they finally got around to cleaning it up so.....

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what the fuck? how is that worthy of a ban lol

every time a good poster gets banned we should just not post here for two weeks in solidarity. free vacations for everyone!

You're not required to participate on this board, much less this website. But while you do, you must adhere to the Terms & Conditions of Use you agreed to at the moment of account creation. But you're not the banned party, nor can you appeal on their behalf. Nor is this the topic of this thread. *** Warning for threadjacking. ***

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If these threads can't remain topical, we'll revisit whether or not they should be permitted at all. Same goes for if we have to repeatedly come in here to deal with the individual thread's frequent adherents.

This thread can stay locked for a bit.

[Washington Resistance Army]

NS staff is a good example of the failings, incompetency, bias and general shortcomings inherent to solely private and volunteer ventures and is a good test case for right libertarian views on a micro scale. What say you fellow right wingers?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

NS staff is a good example of the failings, incompetency, bias and general shortcomings inherent to solely private and volunteer ventures and is a good test case for right libertarian views on a micro scale. What say you fellow right wingers?

I dunno, while the mods make fuckups all the time, they're very useful for eliminating spammers and blatant trolls with executive action.

Applying right-libertarianism might create more issues than it solves, potentially creating a toxic environment, more toxic than it is now.

[Washington Resistance Army]

NS staff is a good example of the failings, incompetency, bias and general shortcomings inherent to solely private and volunteer ventures and is a good test case for right libertarian views on a micro scale. What say you fellow right wingers?

I dunno, while the mods make fuckups all the time, they're very useful for eliminating spammers and blatant trolls with executive action.

Applying right-libertarianism might create more issues than it solves, potentially creating a toxic environment, more toxic than it is now.

Oh I wasn't meaning to imply we should apply right-libertarianism to the site. Quite the opposite, it shows on a micro scale the failings of such a belief system. Could you imagine if the fire department had the same mindsets and lack of oversight that NS staff do? Good lord.

[Nap the Magnificent]

NS staff is a good example of the failings, incompetency, bias and general shortcomings inherent to solely private and volunteer ventures and is a good test case for right libertarian views on a micro scale. What say you fellow right wingers?

I dunno, while the mods make fuckups all the time, they're very useful for eliminating spammers and blatant trolls with executive action.

Applying right-libertarianism might create more issues than it solves, potentially creating a toxic environment, more toxic than it is now.

Yes, but that is what WRA is saying, that it is a failure of volunteer ventures to uphold the societal good. Instead, there should be a vigorous academy where one is trained to be a mod. This is very much in line with certain strains of right-wing thought and precedent.

[Salus Maior]

I dunno, while the mods make fuckups all the time, they're very useful for eliminating spammers and blatant trolls with executive action.

Applying right-libertarianism might create more issues than it solves, potentially creating a toxic environment, more toxic than it is now.

Yes, but that is what WRA is saying, that it is a failure of volunteer ventures to uphold the societal good. Instead, there should be a vigorous academy where one is trained to be a mod. This is very much in line with certain strains of right-wing thought and precedent.

Well, I guess if you wanted to go to school for something more useless than gender studies, a mod degree would be it.

[Valrifell]

I dunno, while the mods make fuckups all the time, they're very useful for eliminating spammers and blatant trolls with executive action.

Applying right-libertarianism might create more issues than it solves, potentially creating a toxic environment, more toxic than it is now.

Oh I wasn't meaning to imply we should apply right-libertarianism to the site. Quite the opposite, it shows on a micro scale the failings of such a belief system. Could you imagine if the fire department had the same mindsets and lack of oversight that NS staff do? Good lord.

Max Barry should create a secret moderator system where bans are issued without warning, anonymously, and you'll never know who's a mod and who's not.

It's the Leftist Statsi solution.