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by Unifair » Fri May 22, 2020 4:06 pm
by Hakons » Fri May 22, 2020 4:08 pm
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Hakons wrote:
The obvious contradiction here is that the State is forcing the closure of worship services. The State isn't respecting the separation when it demands the reopening of access to public worship, but it is when it demands the closure of Churches?
The problem is the Federal government (Trump) can’t order the States to close or reopen churches because of the Tenth Amendment, not the First Amendment. The Tenth Amendment gives States the inherent sovereignty to enact whatever public health measures they deem necessary, as the Supreme Court said in 1824. And as long as states are neutral in imposing restrictions on all gatherings, not targeted groups, they don’t violate the First Amendment.
by Solomons Land » Fri May 22, 2020 4:09 pm
by Neutraligon » Fri May 22, 2020 4:13 pm
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
But states? Because there are no restrictions on movement between states, one state declaring itself to be a sanctuary state is essentially imposing its open border policy on the rest of the country. That's nullification-tier shit Andy Jackson would have slapped down.
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Those undocumented immigrants can be arrested when they set foot in another city? They cannot actually live anywhere else than the sanctuary city.
by Maineiacs » Fri May 22, 2020 4:17 pm
Sundiata wrote:I completely disagree with the president on this one and so does my church.
by Thermodolia » Fri May 22, 2020 4:18 pm
Sundiata wrote:I completely disagree with the president on this one and so does my church.
by Neutraligon » Fri May 22, 2020 4:19 pm
by Bienenhalde » Fri May 22, 2020 4:20 pm
by Hakons » Fri May 22, 2020 4:20 pm
by Solomons Land » Fri May 22, 2020 4:21 pm
by Maineiacs » Fri May 22, 2020 4:25 pm
by La Xinga » Fri May 22, 2020 4:36 pm
Maineiacs wrote:Hakons wrote:
This is what real religious liberty is. My diocese has been smart about this and doesn't need government interference.
I imagine our Bishop will consult with state health officials, but the decision rests with him, not them, and certainly not with that jackass in Washington.
by Maineiacs » Fri May 22, 2020 4:39 pm
by Solomons Land » Fri May 22, 2020 4:43 pm
by Maineiacs » Fri May 22, 2020 4:45 pm
by Diopolis » Fri May 22, 2020 4:46 pm
Maineiacs wrote:Hakons wrote:
This is what real religious liberty is. My diocese has been smart about this and doesn't need government interference.
I imagine our Bishop will consult with state health officials, but the decision rests with him, not them, and certainly not with that jackass in Washington.
by Diopolis » Fri May 22, 2020 4:47 pm
by Katganistan » Fri May 22, 2020 4:50 pm
Hakons wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:That's not something he can enforce, nor is it something that he should be able to.
Separation of Church and State works both ways or not at all.
The obvious contradiction here is that the State is forcing the closure of worship services. The State isn't respecting the separation when it demands the reopening of access to public worship, but it is when it demands the closure of Churches?
by Thermodolia » Fri May 22, 2020 4:51 pm
Diopolis wrote:Maineiacs wrote:
I imagine our Bishop will consult with state health officials, but the decision rests with him, not them, and certainly not with that jackass in Washington.
Most of the Dioceses in my state(Texas) reopened when the state government recommended it. Dallas is the main holdout and the bishop's facing backlash over that- from laypeople in the Diocese.
by Diopolis » Fri May 22, 2020 4:53 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Diopolis wrote:Most of the Dioceses in my state(Texas) reopened when the state government recommended it. Dallas is the main holdout and the bishop's facing backlash over that- from laypeople in the Diocese.
Does DWF have a high rate of cases or something?
Even Atlanta is opening up on the 25th, though individual parishes can request to remain closed or preform outside mass.
by Stellonia » Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:is your sig meant to say "anti-islamophobe" ? islamophobe seems pretty inconsistent with the rest of it.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1368009
by Katganistan » Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri May 22, 2020 5:10 pm
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