MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Solomons Land]

Churches are indeed corporations, but that was not the question. The question was whether or not they are businesses, which they are not. While, in a generic sense, I think churches should be allowed to open roughly around the same time as businesses, I think it is too early to open either.

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

https://www.difference.wiki/corporation-vs-company/
https://www.differencebetween.com/diffe ... s-company/

Put these two article together and you have the distinctions between corporations, businesses and companies, enjoy.

[Katganistan]

I am not the one who originally called it a business. That was the whole point of ASKING them if it was a business.

Business doesn't really have a precise definition here.

Except that churches don't appear to be businesses, but not-for-profit corporations instead...

[Thermodolia]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

Given that this was kicked off because of the Roman Catholics I doubt it. Those shysters are still swindling people, they just don’t have a live audience

[Bear Stearns]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

The Roman Catholic Church has much longer and bloodier history of acting as a for-profit institution than even your most outrageous televangelist.

[Thermodolia]

Business doesn't really have a precise definition here.

Except that churches don't appear to be businesses, but not-for-profit corporations instead...

I mean they could be called a business. The line gets pretty blurry at times

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

States' Rights only matter when a Democrat is overstepping the bounds of Federal government. When Republicans do it, it's called maga or something.

If state's rights don't matter then let's get rid of sanctuary states, which is essentially where a state can impose an immigration policy on the rest of the country.

Sanctuary cities are legal. Nothing compels cities to cooperate with ICE. It’s voluntary.

[Idzequitch]

I do believe you've entirely missed what I was saying.

I'm saying your stance on state's rights is dependent on which party is in control of a state, in spite of your strawman example.

Not at all. Democrats in the federal government overstep things that should be left to the states, and so do Republicans. I just think it's funny that I hold the view Republicans claim to hold, but in practice, the "limited government" Republicans are just as willing as anyone to overstep if it suits them. At least Dems have the excuse of being pro-big government anyway, so they aren't quite as hypocritical when they do it.

[Thermodolia]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

The Roman Catholic Church has much longer and bloodier history of acting as a for-profit institution than even your most outrageous televangelist.

Gold? What gold? I don’t see any stolen art. What do you mean we have offshore bank accounts?

[Bear Stearns]

If state's rights don't matter then let's get rid of sanctuary states, which is essentially where a state can impose an immigration policy on the rest of the country.

Sanctuary cities are legal. Nothing compels cities to cooperate with ICE. It’s voluntary.

But states? Because there are no restrictions on movement between states, one state declaring itself to be a sanctuary state is essentially imposing its open border policy on the rest of the country. That's nullification-tier shit Andy Jackson would have slapped down.

[Diopolis]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

Given that this was kicked off because of the Roman Catholics I doubt it. Those shysters are still swindling people, they just don’t have a live audience

The money's still rolling in to televangelists, I believe. The church that was the immediate catalyst actually operates at a loss most of the time if I'm remembering correctly.
Now it's important to note that the Catholic archdiocese of Minneapolis(and through them theoretically every Catholic in the state of Minnesota, but realistically probably not quite all of them) is not the first church that's done this. They're just the biggest and made the biggest deal out of it.

[Thermodolia]

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

https://www.difference.wiki/corporation-vs-company/
https://www.differencebetween.com/diffe ... s-company/

Put these two article together and you have the distinctions between corporations, businesses and companies, enjoy.

You really need to stop being condescending

Except that churches don't appear to be businesses, but not-for-profit corporations instead...

I mean they could be called a business. The line gets pretty blurry at times

[Thermodolia]

Given that this was kicked off because of the Roman Catholics I doubt it. Those shysters are still swindling people, they just don’t have a live audience

The money's still rolling in to televangelists, I believe. The church that was the immediate catalyst actually operates at a loss most of the time if I'm remembering correctly.
Now it's important to note that the Catholic archdiocese of Minneapolis(and through them theoretically every Catholic in the state of Minnesota, but realistically probably not quite all of them) is not the first church that's done this. They're just the biggest and made the biggest deal out of it.

Yup. The money is definitely rolling in for the televangelists. That’s what my shysters comment was about. They have a tv, they don’t need people in their churches

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Sanctuary cities are legal. Nothing compels cities to cooperate with ICE. It’s voluntary.

But states? Because there are no restrictions on movement between states, one state declaring itself to be a sanctuary state is essentially imposing its open border policy on the rest of the country. That's nullification-tier shit Andy Jackson would have slapped down.

...

Those undocumented immigrants can be arrested when they set foot in another city? They cannot actually live anywhere else than the sanctuary city.

[Bear Stearns]

The Roman Catholic Church has much longer and bloodier history of acting as a for-profit institution than even your most outrageous televangelist.

Gold? What gold? I don’t see any stolen art. What do you mean we have offshore bank accounts?

There is a very strong argument to make that the medieval church was the world's first real estate private equity fund, given the way it managed its lands throughout Europe.

[Solomons Land]

https://www.difference.wiki/corporation-vs-company/
https://www.differencebetween.com/diffe ... s-company/

Put these two article together and you have the distinctions between corporations, businesses and companies, enjoy.

You really need to stop being condescending

I mean they could be called a business. The line gets pretty blurry at times

I admit, the way I phrased it was quite rude. I apologize for that, and for the general harsh tone of this conversation.

[Thermodolia]

Gold? What gold? I don’t see any stolen art. What do you mean we have offshore bank accounts?

There is a very strong argument to make that the medieval church was the world's first real estate private equity fund, given the way it managed its lands throughout Europe.

They also effectively had their own private military through the Knights groups

[Katganistan]

I think the reasonable thing to do is a gradual phased-in reopening, and if you end up with hotspots of disease, you isolate them.

So yes, if going back to your house of worship ends up with say a quarter of the congregants getting sick, it closes again.

[Rojava Free State]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

The Roman Catholic Church has much longer and bloodier history of acting as a for-profit institution than even your most outrageous televangelist.

The RCC is so corrupt, it isn't even funny. No wonder the protestant reformation happened.

[Bear Stearns]

There is a very strong argument to make that the medieval church was the world's first real estate private equity fund, given the way it managed its lands throughout Europe.

They also effectively had their own private military through the Knights groups

Gotta set a monarch straight when he starts getting uppity and thinks his kingdom is really his, now.

[Hakons]

That's not something he can enforce, nor is it something that he should be able to.

Separation of Church and State works both ways or not at all.

The obvious contradiction here is that the State is forcing the closure of worship services. The State isn't respecting the separation when it demands the reopening of access to public worship, but it is when it demands the closure of Churches?

[Hakons]

I honestly don't pay attention to Indiana's directions on going to worship services. My diocese has its own government and is well organized. We stopped public masses before the state forced worship services to stop, and we'll reopen when the diocese thinks it's safe, not when the state did.

[The South Falls]

They also effectively had their own private military through the Knights groups

Gotta set a monarch straight when he starts getting uppity and thinks his kingdom is really his, now.

The chad Henry VIII just subdued the monasteries, cutting the issue at the source.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

That's not something he can enforce, nor is it something that he should be able to.

Separation of Church and State works both ways or not at all.

The obvious contradiction here is that the State is forcing the closure of worship services. The State isn't respecting the separation when it demands the reopening of access to public worship, but it is when it demands the closure of Churches?

The problem is the Federal government (Trump) can’t order the States to close or reopen churches because of the Tenth Amendment, not the First Amendment. The Tenth Amendment gives States the inherent sovereignty to enact whatever public health measures they deem necessary, as the Supreme Court said in 1824. And as long as states are neutral in imposing restrictions on all gatherings, not targeted groups, they don’t violate the First Amendment.

[Bienenhalde]

That's not something he can enforce, nor is it something that he should be able to.

Separation of Church and State works both ways or not at all.

The obvious contradiction here is that the State is forcing the closure of worship services. The State isn't respecting the separation when it demands the reopening of access to public worship, but it is when it demands the closure of Churches?

I think it is acceptable to close worship services if other public gatherings in large groups are banned. If religious and non-religious groups are subject to the same rules, I wouldn't see that as discriminatory. Trump's insistence on allowing churches to reopen is dumb, but it doens't necessarily violate separation of church and state.

[Sundiata]

I completely disagree with the president on this one and so does my church.