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Which nation is next to leave the EU?

Italeave (Italy)
64
25%
Nexit (Netherlands)
5
2%
Frexit (France)
10
4%
Swedone (Sweden)
6
2%
Withdrawsaw (poland)
34
13%
Grexit (Greece)
44
17%
Donegary (Hungary)
64
25%
Outstria (Austria)
2
1%
Españope (Spain)
9
4%
Other (state down below)
14
6%
 
Total votes : 252

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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 14, 2020 8:29 pm

Auze wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do you think the war in the middle east will not be reflected in the europe. how quickly did you forget yugoslavia. The United States is not a good example If Europe unites, it should take Scandinavia as an example.America is always trying to divide countries, for example, they support separatist terrorism in Syria.
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... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.

TBH, I can barely parse out what they're saying...
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Atheris
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Postby Atheris » Thu May 14, 2020 8:32 pm

Auze wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do you think the war in the middle east will not be reflected in the europe. how quickly did you forget yugoslavia. The United States is not a good example If Europe unites, it should take Scandinavia as an example.America is always trying to divide countries, for example, they support separatist terrorism in Syria.
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... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.

>they support seperatist terrorism in syria
>the FSA isn't seperatist or terrorist

ok
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Thu May 14, 2020 9:05 pm

Auze wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do you think the war in the middle east will not be reflected in the europe. how quickly did you forget yugoslavia. The United States is not a good example If Europe unites, it should take Scandinavia as an example.America is always trying to divide countries, for example, they support separatist terrorism in Syria.


... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.
First of all, Kasim Suleyman is a Lieutenant General of the Iranian army.The USA has not killed a terrorist but the Lieutenant General of the Iranian army

Atheris wrote:
Auze wrote:... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.

>they support seperatist terrorism in syria
>the FSA isn't seperatist or terrorist

ok
fsa is a terrorist organization just like ısıs and ypg.So it's not a good example for america.
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Postby -Astoria » Thu May 14, 2020 10:14 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:First of all, Kasim Suleyman is a Lieutenant General of the Iranian army.The USA has not killed a terrorist but the Lieutenant General of the Iranian army

Was, to be more accurate.
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Are you sure?
fsa is a terrorist organization just like ısıs and ypg.So it's not a good example for america.

The primary opponents of the SDF [of which the YPG is a part of - ed] are the various Islamist and Arab nationalist rebel groups involved in the civil war, in particular the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army (TFSA), al-Qaeda affiliates, Turkey and their allies.

Please explain - also, I hope you know there are two FSAs.



Also, this isn't supposed to be the topic at hand.

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Thu May 14, 2020 11:02 pm

-Astoria wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:First of all, Kasim Suleyman is a Lieutenant General of the Iranian army.The USA has not killed a terrorist but the Lieutenant General of the Iranian army

Was, to be more accurate.
Service/branch Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

Non-state allies:

Hezbollah
Hashd al-Shaʿbi
Harakah al-Sabireen
Mahdi Army
Houthis (alleged)

Are you sure?
fsa is a terrorist organization just like ısıs and ypg.So it's not a good example for america.

The primary opponents of the SDF [of which the YPG is a part of - ed] are the various Islamist and Arab nationalist rebel groups involved in the civil war, in particular the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army (TFSA), al-Qaeda affiliates, Turkey and their allies.

Please explain - also, I hope you know there are two FSAs.



Also, this isn't supposed to be the topic at hand.
Her allies may be terrorists, this is a mistake yes, but what America does here is to interfere in a country's internal affairs.America supports terrorism in Syria as an example, but no one kills American Lieutenant General. I agree with you, the wrong policies of the Turkish government.Nobody here should say that america is a good example for the modern european state
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu May 14, 2020 11:10 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
-Astoria wrote:
Was, to be more accurate.


Are you sure?


Please explain - also, I hope you know there are two FSAs.



Also, this isn't supposed to be the topic at hand.
Her allies may be terrorists, this is a mistake yes, but what America does here is to interfere in a country's internal affairs.America supports terrorism in Syria as an example, but no one kills American Lieutenant General. I agree with you, the wrong policies of the Turkish government.Nobody here should say that america is a good example for the modern european state


And Iran does not? What do you think they were doing with Hezbollah in Lebanon/Syria and other Quds Force affiliated things in the region?
They were acting in the interest of the Iranians and meddling in the internal affairs of the Mesopotamian areas


Anyways, just to put this thread back on track, I think it will be one of the Mediterranean nations, most likely Italy (after the EU ignored initial pleas for help during the first coronavirus outbreak) or Greece (after huge amounts of debt). I don't imagine that the Eastern Europeans would want to leave given they could easily fall back into the Russian sphere of influence. Except Hungary, they are quite the wild card, and this is all because of Orban.
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri May 15, 2020 12:14 am

The Greeks already voted in favour of Grexit. The government said no, but they'd already voted for it. Plus, being one of the closest EU countries to the Middle East and Africa, they're bombarded with refugees, and it's starting to give them the shits
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Fri May 15, 2020 12:23 am

Australian rePublic wrote:The Greeks already voted in favour of Grexit. The government said no, but they'd already voted for it. Plus, being one of the closest EU countries to the Middle East and Africa, they're bombarded with refugees, and it's starting to give them the shits

When?
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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Founded: Apr 18, 2018
New York Times Democracy

Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 15, 2020 12:28 am

Leaving the EU would not stop Greece from being just across the Mediterranean from North Africa and Turkey.

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Fri May 15, 2020 12:30 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaving the EU would not stop Greece from being just across the Mediterranean from North Africa and Turkey.

Leaving the EU means your country moves to somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic actually. It's how the UK is going to deal with the Irish Border Question.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 15, 2020 7:51 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
-Astoria wrote:
Was, to be more accurate.


Are you sure?


Please explain - also, I hope you know there are two FSAs.



Also, this isn't supposed to be the topic at hand.
Her allies may be terrorists, this is a mistake yes, but what America does here is to interfere in a country's internal affairs.America supports terrorism in Syria as an example, but no one kills American Lieutenant General. I agree with you, the wrong policies of the Turkish government.Nobody here should say that america is a good example for the modern european state


They tortured an American Colonel to death. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Higgins
And they would kill higher ranking if they could.
Regardless you whole “American bad” shtick is not the subject of the thread.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2020 7:56 am

Heloin wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaving the EU would not stop Greece from being just across the Mediterranean from North Africa and Turkey.

Leaving the EU means your country moves to somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic actually. It's how the UK is going to deal with the Irish Border Question.

The problem is detaching Northern Ireland from the Republic. Gonna need a whole lot of shovels.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri May 15, 2020 8:09 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Auze wrote:... I don't even know where to begin on refuting the propaganda you just stated. I will point out the irony in saying the US supports terrorism and then posting the picture of an Iranian general who backed literal terrorist groups and planned terrorist attacks.
First of all, Kasim Suleyman is a Lieutenant General of the Iranian army.The USA has not killed a terrorist but the Lieutenant General of the Iranian army



Or was since he started doing a really good impression of a crispy pizza roll.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri May 15, 2020 9:43 am

Australian rePublic wrote:The Greeks already voted in favour of Grexit. The government said no, but they'd already voted for it. Plus, being one of the closest EU countries to the Middle East and Africa, they're bombarded with refugees, and it's starting to give them the shits
No state in Europe should do what the united kingdom does

Novus America wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Her allies may be terrorists, this is a mistake yes, but what America does here is to interfere in a country's internal affairs.America supports terrorism in Syria as an example, but no one kills American Lieutenant General. I agree with you, the wrong policies of the Turkish government.Nobody here should say that america is a good example for the modern european state


They tortured an American Colonel to death. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Higgins
And they would kill higher ranking if they could.
Regardless you whole “American bad” shtick is not the subject of the thread.
What I tried to explain was that Europe did not take America as an example. Hezbolla is responsible for this event. Please, I am not an American enemy, I only evaluate with a social democratic understanding. The European Union can take the example of America's policy of attracting people.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 15, 2020 10:21 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:The Greeks already voted in favour of Grexit. The government said no, but they'd already voted for it. Plus, being one of the closest EU countries to the Middle East and Africa, they're bombarded with refugees, and it's starting to give them the shits
No state in Europe should do what the united kingdom does

Novus America wrote:
They tortured an American Colonel to death. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Higgins
And they would kill higher ranking if they could.
Regardless you whole “American bad” shtick is not the subject of the thread.
What I tried to explain was that Europe did not take America as an example. Hezbolla is responsible for this event. Please, I am not an American enemy, I only evaluate with a social democratic understanding. The European Union can take the example of America's policy of attracting people.


Hezbollah works for Iran, Iran funds and directs them. But again this is not really the topic. You should not try to shoehorn US foreign policy in the Middle East into every thread is the point.
Last edited by Novus America on Fri May 15, 2020 10:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Ceranapis
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Postby Ceranapis » Fri May 15, 2020 2:29 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:The Greeks already voted in favour of Grexit. The government said no, but they'd already voted for it. Plus, being one of the closest EU countries to the Middle East and Africa, they're bombarded with refugees, and it's starting to give them the shits


They did this a while ago though back when the economy was really bad. Things have improved a great deal since then. I visited Greece in 2012 and again last year and the difference is palpable. Everything is cleaner, the mood seems better, things appear to be pretty clearly on the uptrend. Our relatives have jobs again.

Misotakis is smart enough to know he needs the EU. The economy is reliant on tourism and leaving the EU would be a huge blow to that.
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Atheris
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Postby Atheris » Fri May 15, 2020 4:18 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:First of all, Kasim Suleyman is a Lieutenant General of the Iranian army.The USA has not killed a terrorist but the Lieutenant General of the Iranian army



Or was since he started doing a really good impression of a crispy pizza roll.

I wonder if his cosplay is in the vein of "been in the air fryer for a minute too long" or "oh dear god why would you put pizza rolls in the actual fucking oven oh my god please send help"
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Postby Auze » Fri May 15, 2020 5:24 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Auze wrote:fsa is a terrorist organization just like ısıs and ypg.So it's not a good example for america.

Being Kurdish does not make the YPG terrorists.
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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:54 pm

Interesting opinions and conversations have been held, only some decided to take it to other stuff.


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Postby Kedri » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:41 pm

Voted for Oustria just because it has one other vote.
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