Why is racism bad? So capitalism can run smoothly?

[Rojava Free State]

In what world does capitalism want to fight racism? The last thing the elite want is the working class to be united.

Consider the following. I am a greedy billionaire who runs a cherry farm and I decide I can pay illegal immigrants $2 an hour so I fire all my native born black and white employees. But then I donate money to a politician who will tell the laid off farm workers that immigrants are stealing their jobs. By doing this, I redirect the anger toward the migrants and away from me, so some Mexican guy in Salt Lake City gets his head cut off instead of me getting mob attacked by an angry farm worker union. You picking up what I'm putting down?

[Skyhooked]

Yeah, not that I love capitalism, it has it's flaws and many, but gettin' back to ol' fashioned race tribalism ain't the way forwards. In fact, it's the way backwards. I mean, with this "super-duperextended family", many talents will go to waste, cuz "their blood ain't pure enough and their skin is darker", which is gonna harm lots of different thingies, that make economy run, which will also be more strained, cuz enforcin' apartehid costs coins and then some folks... what a surprise! Will not like this even a bit, and will just resist, protest, maybe do several terrorist attacks... So tension also grows on all levels.

Besides, if all go xenophobe mode, technological progress gonna become slow as hell and ya'll probably goona have to say "goodbye" to most trade and maybe decent life standards too.

I mean, really dudes! We almost got over those dark ages! Why go back?

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

Goebbels was correct though, those fuckers have so much $$$$. They just use shit like central banks and rio tinto as fronts for their money making schemes.
Of course you can't have merchants without a marketplace

First Nazi that I see in the forum, and obviously he does not use/understand logical reasoning.
Tell us, what are your views on the Holocaust?

1000 years of interethnic tit for tat ended in the dozenth attempt by the Germans to thump the Jews, this time for good. Didn't work as planned after the Red Army rolled into Poland.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

In what world does capitalism want to fight racism? The last thing the elite want is the working class to be united.

Consider the following. I am a greedy billionaire who runs a cherry farm and I decide I can pay illegal immigrants $2 an hour so I fire all my native born black and white employees. But then I donate money to a politician who will tell the laid off farm workers that immigrants are stealing their jobs. By doing this, I redirect the anger toward the migrants and away from me, so some Mexican guy in Salt Lake City gets his head cut off instead of me getting mob attacked by an angry farm worker union. You picking up what I'm putting down?

The Koch Brothers literally lobby for open borders bro, people aren't going to magically rise up against porky if they abandon racial identity

[Rojava Free State]

First Nazi that I see in the forum, and obviously he does not use/understand logical reasoning.
Tell us, what are your views on the Holocaust?

1000 years of interethnic tit for tat ended in the dozenth attempt by the Germans to thump the Jews, this time for good. Didn't work as planned after the Red Army rolled into Poland.

I'm trying to find the time millioms of Germans were killed by Jews and I can't seem to find it.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

1000 years of interethnic tit for tat ended in the dozenth attempt by the Germans to thump the Jews, this time for good. Didn't work as planned after the Red Army rolled into Poland.

I'm trying to find the time millioms of Germans were killed by Jews and I can't seem to find it.

All the shit the Jews helped cause during Wiemar should be enough.
It was tit for tat, eye for an eye. Two very butthurt ethnic groups and one had superior numbers so it got to unleash its butthurt extra violently. The rest is history. idgaf about the holocaust.

[Roosevetania]

Well, do they have some big arse plan or something?

nepotism makes more sense
but look at all the shit they own dude, is it a coincidence? is it? you tell me

Do they have a giant plan or something? If you really hate unequal concentration of wealth, look into anticapitalist ideology instead of channeling your anger towards oppressed groups.

Not racist, find it disgusting to be honest, but skimming through the thread I didn't notice anybody actually challenging OP's claims. Just a lot of YIKES and WTF HOW CAN U BE RACIST IN 2020??? I didn't read through all 200 posts in here but if somebody seen a post that actually challenged the OP can someone link me to it?

A good bit of effort was put in here.

[Novus America]

Well, maybe they are qualified? I don't think it's "You're Jewish? Come on in! "

How is 2% of the US population going to produce enough big brains to control the media like the Jews do? 2%. The Jews are smart but they aren't super-geniuses. Where's the Indian-American lobby that makes Trump jump when they say frog?

People tend to follow in their footsteps of their parents in jobs and education, something not limited to Jews. For a variety of reasons (and in no small part because the lower economic classes were murdered or exiled to Israel) such as limitations on land ownership in going back to medieval Europe and US immigration requirements focusing on high levels of education, Jewish Americans, are on average much better educated than the majority of the population. And with wealth and education comes connections. Wealthy and educated people regardless of ethnicity have advantages others do not.

Jews however do not “control” everything, although being disproportionately educated and wealthy they are over-represented in certain fields, but you have it backs wards. They have the influence because they are on average wealthy and educated, not because they are Jewish.

Yes the there is a substantial Jewish and Israel lobby (the two have overlap but are not identical) but it is just one of many. Admittedly Indians are an interesting case, because of selection pressures such as education requirements on certain visas they too disproportionately come from and educated elite of Indian society but have not tried to as much political lobbying.

But it should be noted Jews before the Holocaust had much less influence in politics. They became more politically active because they had to be. And those less politically active largely killed. If you killed off the poorest and less politically active in any group the remainder would become more politically active.

But you completely misunderstand the situation.
Which is completed. Trump has sided with the more religious, nationalist and right-wing Jews AGAINST the more a secular, internationalist and leftist ones.

It is a simply a political strategy. Again Jews are rather divided into groups at odds with the others. Being supportive of and supported by one faction of Jews means generally being opposed and in opposition to the other faction.

Again Soros absolutely hates Netanyahu and the are actively working to harm the other politically. Just because the are both Jewish does not mean both have any common cause, when clearly they do not.

[Rojava Free State]

In what world does capitalism want to fight racism? The last thing the elite want is the working class to be united.

Consider the following. I am a greedy billionaire who runs a cherry farm and I decide I can pay illegal immigrants $2 an hour so I fire all my native born black and white employees. But then I donate money to a politician who will tell the laid off farm workers that immigrants are stealing their jobs. By doing this, I redirect the anger toward the migrants and away from me, so some Mexican guy in Salt Lake City gets his head cut off instead of me getting mob attacked by an angry farm worker union. You picking up what I'm putting down?

The Koch Brothers literally lobby for open borders bro, people aren't going to magically rise up against porky if they abandon racial identity

I'm sure they do lobby for open borders. They also probably donate to a guy like trump to say "MEXICANS EVIL" so no one sees that they in fact are gonna open the border.

The capitalist class has every reason to push racism. It divides the masses and it justifies violent adventures in the middle east. Think about it. If I'm a devilish oil tycoon and I want the president to steal some oil for me in the middle east, do I want people to view Arabs as innocent victims of an unjust war by America, or as animals? This is where Islamophobia comes in. You tell people that the people in the near east are savages and that they wanna kill us so no one is out protesting against American wars which benefit the upper class. And no one is the wiser.

[Confessional Korea]

First Nazi that I see in the forum, and obviously he does not use/understand logical reasoning.
Tell us, what are your views on the Holocaust?

1000 years of interethnic tit for tat ended in the dozenth attempt by the Germans to thump the Jews, this time for good. Didn't work as planned after the Red Army rolled into Poland.

If by tit you mean doing something perceived as morally wrong and by tat you mean massacring a geographic region's Jewish population then that's maybe an okay way to describe the history.

Not racist, find it disgusting to be honest, but skimming through the thread I didn't notice anybody actually challenging OP's claims. Just a lot of YIKES and WTF HOW CAN U BE RACIST IN 2020??? I didn't read through all 200 posts in here but if somebody seen a post that actually challenged the OP can someone link me to it?

A good bit of effort was put in here.

merci

[Audioslavia]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

[Rojava Free State]

How is 2% of the US population going to produce enough big brains to control the media like the Jews do? 2%. The Jews are smart but they aren't super-geniuses. Where's the Indian-American lobby that makes Trump jump when they say frog?

People tend to follow in their footsteps of their parents in jobs and education, something not limited to Jews. For a variety of reasons (and in no small part because the lower economic classes were murdered or exiled to Israel) such as limitations on land ownership in going back to medieval Europe and US immigration requirements focusing on high levels of education, Jewish Americans, are on average much better educated than the majority of the population. And with wealth and education comes connections. Wealthy and educated people regardless of ethnicity have advantages others do not.

Jews however do not “control” everything, although being disproportionately educated and wealthy they are over-represented in certain fields, but you have it backs wards. They have the influence because they are on average wealthy and educated, not because they are Jewish.

Yes the there is a substantial Jewish and Israel lobby (the two have overlap but are not identical) but it is just one of many. Admittedly Indians are an interesting case, because of selection pressures such as education requirements on certain visas they too disproportionately come from and educated elite of Indian society but have not tried to as much political lobbying.

But it should be noted Jews before the Holocaust had much less influence in politics. They became more politically active because they had to be. And those less politically active largely killed. If you killed off the poorest and less politically active in any group the remainder would become more politically active.

But you completely misunderstand the situation.
Which is completed. Trump has sided with the more religious, nationalist and right-wing Jews AGAINST the more a secular, internationalist and leftist ones.

It is a simply a political strategy. Again Jews are rather divided into groups at odds with the others. Being supportive of and supported by one faction of Jews means generally being opposed and in opposition to the other faction.

Again Soros absolutely hates Netanyahu and the are actively working to harm the other politically. Just because the are both Jewish does not mean both have any common cause, when clearly they do not.

It's like people who talk about white privilege. Whites on average are wealthier than black and brown people in America, so they're afforded on average more privilege than them. However, it is because of the fact they have money. If youre white and live in a box, your skin tone means nothing, and if you're black and your dad is a fortune 500 company CEO, you're EXTREMELY privileged. Jewish Americans on average have alot of power due to their socioeconomic standing, but there is no jewish cabal.

[Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

What are you gonna do, ban me?

[Rojava Free State]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

You know you really said some shit when a mod looks at the post and they roast you.

[The British American Colonies]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

What are you gonna do, ban me?

Famous last words

[Audioslavia]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

What are you gonna do, ban me?

[Confessional Korea]

If the premise is that in-group preferences/homogeneity = better society then wouldn't class, culture, religion, community in-groups form that would outweigh the skin colour in-groups? I find that I have more in common with the working class, conservative Catholics that live near me even though they're a different race than me, than the wealthy white atheists that I went to school with even though they were the same race as me.

[Atheris]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

What are you gonna do, ban me?

[Kandorith]

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Sorry to butt-in, but I laughed really hard at that.

[Skyhooked]

I read the OP.

What a load of utter shite. Wrong-headed mealy-mouthed wank-bag toss that can fuck off back to the shithole sub-stormfront nazi-fetish worstcunt-factory it came from.

What are you gonna do, ban me?

If I was ya', I'd rather not go teasin' local sheriff with big iron banhammer on his hip.

[Jutlop]

I as a supporter of socialism see a bigger problem than classes tearing people apart
and that problem is people who see that races are the only things that matter instead of trying to unite everyone regardless of race.
fascism and racism, in general, is based around tearing people apart according to their ethnicities which only stays in power by using hatred amongst groups
I can't see how you like them.
They killed a lot of people

[Roosevetania]

People tend to follow in their footsteps of their parents in jobs and education, something not limited to Jews. For a variety of reasons (and in no small part because the lower economic classes were murdered or exiled to Israel) such as limitations on land ownership in going back to medieval Europe and US immigration requirements focusing on high levels of education, Jewish Americans, are on average much better educated than the majority of the population. And with wealth and education comes connections. Wealthy and educated people regardless of ethnicity have advantages others do not.

Jews however do not “control” everything, although being disproportionately educated and wealthy they are over-represented in certain fields, but you have it backs wards. They have the influence because they are on average wealthy and educated, not because they are Jewish.

Yes the there is a substantial Jewish and Israel lobby (the two have overlap but are not identical) but it is just one of many. Admittedly Indians are an interesting case, because of selection pressures such as education requirements on certain visas they too disproportionately come from and educated elite of Indian society but have not tried to as much political lobbying.

But it should be noted Jews before the Holocaust had much less influence in politics. They became more politically active because they had to be. And those less politically active largely killed. If you killed off the poorest and less politically active in any group the remainder would become more politically active.

But you completely misunderstand the situation.
Which is completed. Trump has sided with the more religious, nationalist and right-wing Jews AGAINST the more a secular, internationalist and leftist ones.

It is a simply a political strategy. Again Jews are rather divided into groups at odds with the others. Being supportive of and supported by one faction of Jews means generally being opposed and in opposition to the other faction.

Again Soros absolutely hates Netanyahu and the are actively working to harm the other politically. Just because the are both Jewish does not mean both have any common cause, when clearly they do not.

It's like people who talk about white privilege. Whites on average are wealthier than black and brown people in America, so they're afforded on average more privilege than them. However, it is because of the fact they have money. If youre white and live in a box, your skin tone means nothing, and if you're black and your dad is a fortune 500 company CEO, you're EXTREMELY privileged. Jewish Americans on average have alot of power due to their socioeconomic standing, but there is no jewish cabal.

Don't you think there is more white privilege than Jewish privilege, though? For one, I think the racial wealth gap is part of white privilege, as the economic advantage whites have comes from a history of racism. How do you think white people got such a large economic advantage? Through centuries of oppression of people of color. Separate from economics, there are significant disparities in the criminal justice system. Despite using marijuana at similar rates, black people are much more likely to be arrested for it. People of color, especially black people, are disproportionately likely to be killed by police. These are just a couple of examples, and all on top of each other, I think it's hard to compare demonstrable white privilege to supposed "Jewish privilege."

[Novus America]

I'm trying to find the time millioms of Germans were killed by Jews and I can't seem to find it.

All the shit the Jews helped cause during Wiemar should be enough.
It was tit for tat, eye for an eye. Two very butthurt ethnic groups and one had superior numbers so it got to unleash its butthurt extra violently. The rest is history. idgaf about the holocaust.

Actually no. The stab in the back is BS. German Jews actually were largely supportive of the German empire, joining the army in large numbers. Hitler got his Iron across from a Jewish officer.
Little bit of interesting tidbit, Rosa Luxemburg and a disproportionate number of German Jews who supported the revolution were of Polish origin.
The Polish Jews in the German Empire being a persecuted minority (as Poles not Jews) were much more prone to political radicalism than the generally very conservative German Jews. The Weimar Republic was not controlled by Jews anyways.

See it was complicated. Jews are not some unified hive mind. There are (and were) different groupings and factions at odds with the others. Although many previous factions were largely eliminated in the Holocaust, there are still many factions today.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm trying to find the time millioms of Germans were killed by Jews and I can't seem to find it.

All the shit the Jews helped cause during Wiemar should be enough.
It was tit for tat, eye for an eye. Two very butthurt ethnic groups and one had superior numbers so it got to unleash its butthurt extra violently. The rest is history. idgaf about the holocaust.

What shit did they cause? And what could it be that would be equivalent to the holocaust?

[Kowani]

Well, looking at both history, where the racial in groups were neither so strong or so extended as you claim (try asking a plantation owner in the antebellum south what he thought about the poor whites who lived nearby), and the enlightenment principle of universality, where you don’t need the in-group advantage, I’m going to call this a heaping pile of bullshit.

I don't mean race that concretely in the American sense. I also mean smaller groups like the Greeks spoke about.

Calling them “the Greeks” implies a sense of unity that really did not exist. A microcosm of how all attempts to divide people by ethnic group inevitably fragments.

Class is important too though and so is religion. But just because those things are important doesn't mean race isn't.

I mean, it’s not. Race is important because people choose to make it so. Class is important by it’s very nature. The effects of racism go away with proper education. You can’t educate class out of the system.

I mean, no. A guy from Finland has nothing to do with, say, the Arc d’Triomphe in Paris other than the fact that the architect more or less shared his phenotype. At best, he’ll feel National pride over the War against the Soviet Union, nobody feels pride over the achievements of their race unless they’re deliberately looking for them.

Which is why nobody with a brain is proud of them, they're handed down to you.

I notice that you’re sidestepping the point. But also, if you shouldn’t feel proud of then, there’s no reason to care about the achievements of your racial group.

Georgia was founded specifically as a buffer to keep the Spanish out of the rich tobacco producing states. The claim that “they basically swept over continents as one in-group” doesn’t really become anywhere near true until at best, Manifest Destiny. But the Americans also spent a significant amount of their time fighting other members of their own race and a Civil War, so again: Your point is ignorant of history.

Anglos had a civil war over whether to free what was at the time farm equipment, big deal.

You know, an intellectually honest person would examine their claims, and realize that the evidence is against them. The Civil War was one of the pivotal moments in American history, and the fact that you’re downplaying it because it’s inconvenient to your narrative says a lot.

They cooperated where it counts, otherwise everything west of the continental divide would be speaking Spanish.

I don’t know what exactly you think the Mexican-American war was, but it was certainly not a racial one.

You do realize that this quote is saying that Germans and the English are the members of the in-group, and the rest of Europe can get fucked

The reason here seems to be “these people look like me.”
Well, that’s rather less enlightening once you cut away the flowery nonsense.

Yes and that's based.

Politigram, 4chan or Reddit?

I was referring to the Yamnaya and their immediate descendants, not their muttoid rape baby spawn a thousand years down the line that weren't even aware of them.

...Yeah, muttoid isn’t a word, and this is a terrible understanding of Neolithic genealogy.

When I get kicked out of 109 pubs it isn't entirely the pub. The fact they exist is a testament to their ability to distance themselves from the gentiles.

…Your points don’t not follow from one another..

Spielberg was completely unqualified for the job. He wouldn't have been considered talent based on his portfolio. He got in.

I’m sure you have an unbiased source for this.

…You mean after they were almost genocided into oblivion. That fact might be slightly relevant.

It's more than the Irish could manage.

…You do realize that the Irish and the Jews aren’t comparable, right?

Measuring relative power across time periods is a bit dodgy, no?

Jews basically own the world now so I think it's fair to say they got more powerful.

They don’t, but okay.

…You do realize that racial animosity helps prevent people from achieving class-consciousness, right? It’s a major boon to the capitalist economy to have some degree of racism. I think we’ve all heard the joke about the immigrant and the cookie.

Racism as in treating h1b Indians like slaves, maybe, but that involves telling them to pull them up by their bootstraps now, it isn't the 19th century. Class consciousness class schmonciousness. I wish but that shit failed ages ago. The idea that racism benefits capitalism at this point is ridiculous, why else would capitalism be turning itself brown and trying to export itself everywhere? Do you think those are dissidents within the capitalist system being allowed to win? It's a feature, not a bug. Equal-opportunity hell.

…I think, you fail to understand what I mean by racism. It is infinitely easier to maintain the status quo if you can convince the Mitchell Mcwhite that José lowers his wages (which, by the way, is empirically untrue). However, it’s very odd-and, to me, contradictory for you to complain about workers under capitalism and then complain that the system can’t be changed.

Irony. See, the only people who get angry when people speak another language in public are racists (in the modern day). The overwhelming majority of the anti-racism crowd does not care.

Today's "racists" are just civic nationalists with no desire to have an organic connection with their racial kindred. They worship a flag and a tax office and get butthurt when you file your tax returns in moon runes because it's bad for their zionist overlords.

None of this is true, nor is there such thing as an “organic connection to one’s racial kindred”, since race isn’t scientifically sound.

Very much so. Allow me to quote Dr. King: “We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair.”

MLK lol

Mate, you quoted Kaczynski. Engage with the actual take.

The media, which consistently stokes up racial animosity?

How? By saying diversity is our strength nonstop?

Go look at the surnames of CNN executives NOW
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... sh-studies
or look at this, pretty funny article


Why yes I read settlers, how can you tell?


bro it aint gonna happen lol
it's not 1917
we're fucked, do you understand?

None of any of this addressed any of my points.

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Shrug. Better poverty than absolute deprivation, especially when the links with immigrants help the entire removal of capitalism international, as opposed to Stalin’s failure.