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Why is racism bad? So capitalism can run smoothly?

Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:34 pm

Why is racism bad?

It could be argued that racism has positives. Racism ultimately stems from in-group preference, so while it might lead to discrimination against the outgroup there's also an element of "us" in the us vs them mentality of racism which is very important. For most of human history, being exiled from your ingroup has been a death sentence or at the very least a life-ruiningly big deal. Try surviving without an ingroup with a broken leg for instance. Racism gives you a huge ingroup - your race is a huge, extended family. Its achievements aren't your achievements so much as what a beloved family member has handed down to you.

If your in-group are racists, it gives them a huge advantage because it allows them to consciously act with the interests of their in-group in mind. Ever notice that the countries with the most racial mindsets (usually colonial Europeans like white Americans) were founded by people who basically swept over entire depopulated continents as one in-group and built some of the strongest, most prosperous countries the world has ever known?

The United States is literally a product of racism and would not be nearly as successful as it is today if it wasn't. Latin America, which was pumped and dumped by the Spanish for resources instead of racially colonised, ended up being a dysfunctional mess once the Spanish left with their mountains of silver. It was Ben Franklin of all people who said the following: "the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Compexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind."

Think about the Indo-Europeans, who formed ethnic aristocracies over the neolithic people they conquered in Europe and West/South Asia and whose culture, language, way of life and even Y chromosome DNA spread itself through space and time more than any of them could have imagined. The most red-headed people in the world are not the Irish, but the Udmurts of the Volga area, and the Bashkirs have a high frequency of the same R1b subclade that the Welsh, Scottish and Irish have. If generation ships ever make it out past the Oort cloud, they'll be carrying the Y-DNA of the Yamnaya along with the English, French, Spanish, Russian, German, Farsi, Urdu and Hindi languages and alleles from the ancient Pontic-Caspian Steppe. The Indo-Europeans would have been appallingly racist by enlightened 21st century standards, but the in-group preference that came with that turned out to be their strength.

Look at the Jews. As part of their diaspora mentality, the Jews have very strong in-group preference, and discriminate against gentiles (Jews have long been prohibited from charging interest to their own, but are free to charge interest to gentiles). One need look no further than the practice of male genital mutilation among Jews - the Jews originally only removed the end of the foreskin in circumsision (this was called milah), but after Jews in pagan Greece started pulling the skin back up over the glans to assimilate into the population, the Rabbis were furious and demanded that Brit Peri'ah, basically the removal of the entire foreskin, be practiced. The Jews went to such great lengths to differentiate themselves from the outgroup and set themselves apart from them that they were willing to mutilate themselves for it.

The Jews are incredibly successful. Jews are only 2% of the US population and extremely overrepresented in US finance, media and academia. The Jews' history of participating in the skilled trades has also resulted in them pioneering many successful brands. You'd have a hard time walking into a cinema without seeing a Jewish director's name on the film timetable, or walking through a central business district without seeing a Goldman Sach's, or getting onto a train without being in the same cabin as someone wearing Levi's underwear. When you turn on CNN, it probably doesn't occur to you that about half of the executives are Jews. It's not a coincidence - the Jews have in-group preference, they look out for their own to the point of practicing ethnic nepotism. Do you think a gentile Spielberg would have gotten into Hollywood? Israel exists after 2000 years of diaspora with a revived, previously liturgical language now spoken by millions of people because the Jews were conscious of their in-group and acted in its interests to advance it like no other group has. Hatred of the Jews by non-Jews revolves around the fruits of Jewish in-group preference. The Jews were brutally expelled from 109 countries, mostly for being at odds with the gentile population because they refused to stick to their own, and not only survived it but actually managed to come out more powerful. The Jews are the greatest practitioners of racism the world has ever known.

It seems like the only problem with racism is that it's outdated in 2020, and that's probably because it makes more economic sense to have everyone, regardless of the colour of their skin, on the same plantation, earning the same wages to spend on plastic crap, spending 12+ years in the same Prussian schooling system, etc, so the capitalists discourage the wageslaves from fighting each other along racial lines. Anti-racist rhetoric seems to revolve mostly around not rocking the boat. "Why be racist, sexist or homophobic when you can just be quiet?". "Diversity is our strength, we should celebrate our differences to show that we are all the same". It's okay to have your own culture or even to silently have a grudge against another culture, just don't do anything meaningful about it that goes beyond those sentiments. It's okay to have your own lovely ethnic food and exotic language, but make sure to sell your ethnic food to us with VAT attached and only speak your exotic language at home so business can flow more freely and social cohesion in a multiethnic society isn't threatened. Has liberating African-Americans from the back of the bus really done anything but integrate them into the position of wageslaves slightly more impoverished than their white counterparts? The mentality of "moving past" race and getting along as one giant workplace, which is clearly peddled by wealthy people (who control the flow of information), seems to be a lot like the practice of kicking your kids out at 18 ("moving past" your actual family, rather than your extended racial family) to go be rent slaves that was peddled to boomers by wealthy people (who control the flow of information). Theodore Kaczynski put it best:

" Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black “underclass” they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black- style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers “responsible,” they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial-technological system. The system couldn’t care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values."


Even then, is racism really outdated? Groups operating within the Western neoliberal system like the Zionist Azhkenazi Jews, the Chinese diaspora (who have been infiltrating Western academia quite nicely, and who own a surprising amount of infrastructure in Australasia and North America such as the Port of Darwin) or even the visa Indians who run your local Dominos and only hire other Indians are all more successful as a group and more secure as individuals because they discriminate against the out-group. Is anti-racism just a trick a lot of people have fallen for to keep them atomised, unorganised and unlikely to band together to create a more powerful unit for advancing their interests so the pyramid scheme post-industrial information age capitalist economy can be run without opposition? What if people are not victims of systemic racism, but rather systemic anti-racism?

How is racism even bad? How is in-group preference even bad? How is belonging to a huge extended family, and prioritising its safety, security and prosperity over that of members of outgroups who may wish to do it harm even a bad thing? You can argue racism leads to genocide, but does it really? Not all mass butcherings of people have been committed in the name of in-group allegience, and not all groups with in-group allegience have engaged in mass butchering - look no further than the Mongols torching multiethnic cities for refusing to bow to their authority, or the ATF/NSA/CIA/US law enforcement's beige-coloured ongoing multiracial campaign of terror against the American people. Is racism not just the ethnic equivalent of trade unionism or a town's inhabitants petitioning against fracking in its area? If we are all truly just individual worker units, it should be pretty silly and arbitrary to band together over anything we have little to no choice over, even if it defines the course of our lives. Why is racism bad? How have minorities really benefited from less racism when removing in-groups just allows for easier conversion of most of their waking lives into capital?
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Postby The British American Colonies » Tue May 12, 2020 8:38 pm

Yikes
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm

The British American Colonies wrote:Yikes

Please explain why what has come to be referred to as "racism" is a bad thing. Knee-jerk reactions are terribly uninsightful and unoriginal.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm

Holy fuck Batman, a justification for holding up racism. Wow.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 pm

Your premise seems to be "racism = in-group preference, in-group preference is widespread and necessary, therefore racism is good." Have we completely forgotten about civic nationalism?
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Postby Ludania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 pm

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:43 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Holy fuck Batman, a justification for holding up racism. Wow.

Why is it bad?

The problem here is that people take "racism is bad" as a given. They don't ask themselves why they think that, and if they do they just go into circular reasoning or some one-dimensional thing that was told to them like "genocide". Is having a preference for your own family bad? Have attempts to make humanity one ingroup ended well at all, or have they just enslaved us to the social engineers who tried it by dissolving any actual organic ingroups?

I really, really want you and everyone else to stop taking your beliefs as a given. I don't want you to agree with me or even change your mind, but I want you to ask why you believe what you believe and come up with real, logically consistent justifications. WHY is racism bad?

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Postby UIS Leviathan » Tue May 12, 2020 8:44 pm

Because you shouldn't judge a person by their skin color or ethnicity, but rather their character?
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Postby South Acren » Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm

Holy jesus....
I...I am not gonna type a paragraph but....racism is bad because it can get HUMAN BEINGS killed. And dont say it doesn't. You and i know otherwise.
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Your premise seems to be "racism = in-group preference, in-group preference is widespread and necessary, therefore racism is good." Have we completely forgotten about civic nationalism?

Well, how has civic nationalism ended? A bunch of state department fellaheen dying in the desert for oil pipelines? Are nation-states organic enough to have sincere in-group allegience to? Can you belong to a flag, a treasury, a parliament and a tax office? The American founding fathers said that the most important unit in society was the family. They, as liberal freemasons founding a representative republic, recognised the importance of organic in-groups within the state they were constructing.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm

One day we'll realise that we're all humans living on a very fragile planet, that is if we don't blow ourselves up because we view the majority of our own race as other.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 12, 2020 8:47 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Holy fuck Batman, a justification for holding up racism. Wow.

Why is it bad?

The problem here is that people take "racism is bad" as a given. They don't ask themselves why they think that, and if they do they just go into circular reasoning or some one-dimensional thing that was told to them like "genocide". Is having a preference for your own family bad? Have attempts to make humanity one ingroup ended well at all, or have they just enslaved us to the social engineers who tried it by dissolving any actual organic ingroups?

I really, really want you and everyone else to stop taking your beliefs as a given. I don't want you to agree with me or even change your mind, but I want you to ask why you believe what you believe and come up with real, logically consistent justifications. WHY is racism bad?


Because. Like. It is bad. Discrimination on the basis of race. Believing a set of physical traits makes you better than others who are physically different to the point of bullying and ostracizing or downright abusing. Do we really have to explain that to you?
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:Why is it bad?

The problem here is that people take "racism is bad" as a given. They don't ask themselves why they think that, and if they do they just go into circular reasoning or some one-dimensional thing that was told to them like "genocide". Is having a preference for your own family bad? Have attempts to make humanity one ingroup ended well at all, or have they just enslaved us to the social engineers who tried it by dissolving any actual organic ingroups?

I really, really want you and everyone else to stop taking your beliefs as a given. I don't want you to agree with me or even change your mind, but I want you to ask why you believe what you believe and come up with real, logically consistent justifications. WHY is racism bad?


Because. Like. It is bad. Discrimination on the basis of race. Believing a set of physical traits makes you better than others who are physically different to the point of bullying and ostracizing or downright abusing. Do we really have to explain that to you?

But why is it bad? Why is that bad?

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Postby HIreland » Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Even if your entire post was true, racism would still be only a poor substitute for true altruism. You seem to be implying that to help others you have to exclude people from those whom you would help.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because. Like. It is bad. Discrimination on the basis of race. Believing a set of physical traits makes you better than others who are physically different to the point of bullying and ostracizing or downright abusing. Do we really have to explain that to you?

But why is it bad? Why is that bad?


Because it dehumanizes others based on skin color or physical traits. Must I continue?
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Postby The Iron Wizards of Blacktower » Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Not an expert, but to my knowledge the Indian example is actually refutable by the unconquered southern regimes being richer than the northern ones. Oppression takes it’s toll. The northern regimes, whether aryan castedom or Islamic, ran serfdoms, while the south got rich on trade.
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Bombadil wrote:One day we'll realise that we're all humans living on a very fragile planet, that is if we don't blow ourselves up because we view the majority of our own race as other.

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Holy racist blog post Batman!
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Postby UIS Leviathan » Tue May 12, 2020 8:49 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because. Like. It is bad. Discrimination on the basis of race. Believing a set of physical traits makes you better than others who are physically different to the point of bullying and ostracizing or downright abusing. Do we really have to explain that to you?

But why is it bad? Why is that bad?

UIS Leviathan wrote:Because you shouldn't judge a person by their skin color or ethnicity, but rather their character?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because. Like. It is bad. Discrimination on the basis of race. Believing a set of physical traits makes you better than others who are physically different to the point of bullying and ostracizing or downright abusing. Do we really have to explain that to you?

But why is it bad? Why is that bad?

I mean... it's unjust. Unfair. Untrue.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:It seems like the only problem with racism is that it's outdated in 2020

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 pm

HIreland wrote:Even if your entire post was true, racism would still be only a poor substitute for true altruism. You seem to be implying that to help others you have to exclude people from those whom you would help.

Does true altruism even exist? That's another debatable thing. And if it is, how many people exhibit it?
The exclusion of others is a sign you're consolidating those around you into an ingroup and looking out for your boys. It's a good model.

The Iron Wizards of Blacktower wrote:Not an expert, but to my knowledge the Indian example is actually refutable by the unconquered southern regimes being richer than the northern ones. Oppression takes it’s toll.

Are you sure that isn't geography? There are thousands of years between the Indo-European conquest of the Gangetic Plain, and the emergence of the modern gap in development between south and north India. I highly doubt the Indo-Europeans are at fault. By this logic, the Basques should be the most cultures, developed, wealthy people in Europe.

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:But why is it bad? Why is that bad?

I mean... it's unjust. Unfair. Untrue.

Why?

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To quote Mussolini - "Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. ... National pride has no need of the delirium of race."
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