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Postby SangMar » Tue May 05, 2020 7:29 pm

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Half of this thread was talking about how beautiful Kim's sister was. Where was the racism?

There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.


Just to chime in here for a moment, since the phrase “Person of colour” seems to be solely an American thing (for now, thankfully) - Or, in other countries used by those that think all English-speaking countries are just like America regarding racial issues: with no nuances at all. But really, what is the difference between me saying “coloured person” and “person of colour”? Aside from one being the “in” word at the moment and the other one supposedly being racist?
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 7:29 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Violent Mike wrote:DPRK is pretty crazy dog.

No serious analyst or Korean considers them crazy.

Please state what you think is crazy.


The Kims are the worst kind of crazy: crazy, but not stupid. They know what they are doing.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:42 pm

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You cant really tell by how she dresses, but I think she is pretty tone under all that, and I have always liked crazy asian women

Racism and sexism. Nice combo.


Yeah, liking women is sexist. Finding asians attractive is racist.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:44 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:So much misinformation, fetishization, Dragon Lady troping, and much more in this thread... why doesn't NS have a nauseated or barfing emoji?

It's related to serial killer fetish.

More.like people in power want to be dominated, but you pick your own interpretation
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue May 05, 2020 7:45 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's related to serial killer fetish.

More.like people in power want to be dominated, but you pick your own interpretation

You're in power?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:46 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Heloin wrote:Virtually no information is freely available, North Korea doesn't share and doesn't tell aside from clean scrubbed propaganda. The people who report of North Korea do a lot of fucking hard work but still, why the hell do you think everyone thought he was definitely dead the last few weeks?

Not all information on the DPRK has to be solely consumed through accepting state propaganda. There is satellite imagery, intelligence, common testimonies from defectors, information released by state media on things they wouldn't lie about, analyses of prices in black/gray markets, analyses of state media, and so on.

No one who actually studies the DPRK believed he was dead. Neither did the ROK, which conducts the most intelligence regarding the DPRK and is actually the source of a lot of scoops regarding the DPRK for Western media. Instead, there was heavy criticism from Western Korea experts and ROK liberals regarding the rumors.

TMZ CNN and a bunch of people who couldn't point out Korea on a map do not count as "everyone."


fixed that for you.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 05, 2020 7:46 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's related to serial killer fetish.

More.like people in power want to be dominated, but you pick your own interpretation

So now you're saying Kim Yo-Jong wants to be 50 Shades of Greyed.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:More.like people in power want to be dominated, but you pick your own interpretation

You're in power?


:p
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Postby Violent Mike » Tue May 05, 2020 7:47 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Violent Mike wrote:DPRK is pretty crazy dog.

No serious analyst or Korean considers them crazy.

Please state what you think is crazy.

Authoritarianism.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Racism and sexism. Nice combo.


Yeah, liking women is sexist. Finding asians attractive is racist.
Got any more bullshit you want to peddle?

Wanting to be dommed is racist and sexist.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:48 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:More.like people in power want to be dominated, but you pick your own interpretation

So now you're saying Kim Yo-Jong wants to be 50 Shades of Greyed.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:49 pm

Violent Mike wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:No serious analyst or Korean considers them crazy.

Please state what you think is crazy.

Authoritarianism.
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Yeah, liking women is sexist. Finding asians attractive is racist.
Got any more bullshit you want to peddle?

Wanting to be dommed is racist and sexist.


Well I dont, but I still have to ask, how so?
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Postby Prosa » Tue May 05, 2020 7:50 pm

How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue May 05, 2020 7:51 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Violent Mike wrote:DPRK is pretty crazy dog.

No serious analyst or Korean considers them crazy.

Please state what you think is crazy.

They are bloodthirsty in the domestic sphere. Heck, operating in a regime that imprisons families for multiple generations is downright insane.
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 7:51 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So now you're saying Kim Yo-Jong wants to be 50 Shades of Greyed.


I HAVE A DREAM!!


If I start having dreams about her I am blaming you people :D
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 05, 2020 7:51 pm

Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"


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Postby Violent Mike » Tue May 05, 2020 7:52 pm

Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"

Well KJU is probably alright so the only thing left is talking about his sister.

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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 7:53 pm

Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"


:rofl:
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Postby Aeritai » Tue May 05, 2020 8:02 pm

Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"


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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue May 05, 2020 8:05 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"


The inner machinations of the internet is an enigma.

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Aeritai wrote:
Prosa wrote:How the hell did this thread go from "Kim Jong-Un's deteriorating health" to "the ethical implications of fetishizing his sister?"


The inner machinations of the internet is an enigma.


I remember a long time ago I was on another forum and thread about a foiled mass-shooting turned into a discussion about the average cost of cross-dressing prostitutes.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue May 05, 2020 8:06 pm

SangMar wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.


Just to chime in here for a moment, since the phrase “Person of colour” seems to be solely an American thing (for now, thankfully) - Or, in other countries used by those that think all English-speaking countries are just like America regarding racial issues: with no nuances at all. But really, what is the difference between me saying “coloured person” and “person of colour”? Aside from one being the “in” word at the moment and the other one supposedly being racist?

Maybe because there are so many people in America and it's so easy to become an American.How many other countries will struggle with illegal immigration? Illegal immigration means illegal :eyebrow:
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Postby SangMar » Tue May 05, 2020 8:11 pm

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
SangMar wrote:
Just to chime in here for a moment, since the phrase “Person of colour” seems to be solely an American thing (for now, thankfully) - Or, in other countries used by those that think all English-speaking countries are just like America regarding racial issues: with no nuances at all. But really, what is the difference between me saying “coloured person” and “person of colour”? Aside from one being the “in” word at the moment and the other one supposedly being racist?

Maybe because there are so many people in America and it's so easy to become an American.How many other countries will struggle with illegal immigration? Illegal immigration means illegal :eyebrow:


Excuse me, but in the kindest possible way - what?

Firstly, I have no idea where you’re going with this and two, try every single first world nation except maybe Japan? - for example, every Western European state struggles with illegal immigration. Finally, I must thank you for explaining what ‘illegal immigration’ means - even though it really wasn’t relevant.
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Postby Old Zealand Founder » Wed May 06, 2020 4:31 am

I thought this thread was about Kim Jong-un...
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Postby ArenaC » Wed May 06, 2020 4:38 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
SangMar wrote:
Just to chime in here for a moment, since the phrase “Person of colour” seems to be solely an American thing (for now, thankfully) - Or, in other countries used by those that think all English-speaking countries are just like America regarding racial issues: with no nuances at all. But really, what is the difference between me saying “coloured person” and “person of colour”? Aside from one being the “in” word at the moment and the other one supposedly being racist?

Maybe because there are so many people in America and it's so easy to become an American.How many other countries will struggle with illegal immigration? Illegal immigration means illegal :eyebrow:

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Postby South Reinkalistan » Wed May 06, 2020 4:41 am

Old Zealand Founder wrote:I thought this thread was about Kim Jong-un...

You were deceived. This is NSG, and this thread went off the deep end multiple pages back when they started sexualising Kim Jong Un's sister. On-topic is but a blissful memory here.
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