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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 05, 2020 6:16 pm

Green October Z wrote:According to the KCNA, Kim Jong-Un is alive and well and inspected a fertilizer plant a few days ago, praising the fertilizer for bringing greatness to the DPRK :p


I think they even have footage.

Let me see... here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.co ... 1588523180
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 6:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Green October Z wrote:According to the KCNA, Kim Jong-Un is alive and well and inspected a fertilizer plant a few days ago, praising the fertilizer for bringing greatness to the DPRK :p


I think they even have footage.

Let me see... here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.co ... 1588523180


Could be a double or older recycled footage.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:19 pm

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Infected Mushroom wrote:So Kim has returned?

He’s alive?

Show’s over?


Maybe. Hard to say. Could be a double since they have plenty of motive to cover-up his death until they have the succession all figured out. It wouldn't be unprecedented since they covered up Kim Jong-il's death for a bit.

Kim Jong-il's death was announced a day after he died.

No one takes the idea that Kim Jong-il died in 2003 and was replaced by a double seriously. It's a wack conspiracy theory.
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So much misinformation, fetishization, Dragon Lady troping, and much more in this thread... why doesn't NS have a nauseated or barfing emoji?
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 6:20 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
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Maybe. Hard to say. Could be a double since they have plenty of motive to cover-up his death until they have the succession all figured out. It wouldn't be unprecedented since they covered up Kim Jong-il's death for a bit.

Kim Jong-il's death was announced a day after he died.

No one takes the idea that Kim Jong-il died in 2003 and was replaced by a double seriously. It's a wack conspiracy theory.


It was for 3 days if I recall correctly.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:25 pm

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Dude, she's a 6/10 at best.


You cant really tell by how she dresses, but I think she is pretty tone under all that, and I have always liked crazy asian women

Racism and sexism. Nice combo.
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 6:29 pm

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Dude, she's a 6/10 at best.


I am not going to lie, I think she is pretty cute. If only her personality could be just as nice...
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 05, 2020 6:30 pm

Arumdaum wrote:So much misinformation, fetishization, Dragon Lady troping, and much more in this thread... why doesn't NS have a nauseated or barfing emoji?

It's related to serial killer fetish.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:31 pm

Green October Z wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Kim Jong-il's death was announced a day after he died.

No one takes the idea that Kim Jong-il died in 2003 and was replaced by a double seriously. It's a wack conspiracy theory.


It was for 3 days if I recall correctly.

Apparently two days. You're proving my point though that there was no cover-up of Kim Jong-il's death. No one knew he was dead outside of the country, and after the government spent the day of his death and the day after thinking about how they would release that information and announce Kim Jong-un as a successor, they put it across state media.
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 6:31 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:So much misinformation, fetishization, Dragon Lady troping, and much more in this thread... why doesn't NS have a nauseated or barfing emoji?

It's related to serial killer fetish.


She can torture me anytime she wants as much as she wants :D
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:32 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:So much misinformation, fetishization, Dragon Lady troping, and much more in this thread... why doesn't NS have a nauseated or barfing emoji?

It's related to serial killer fetish.

It's related to America's historic traditions of racism and misogyny.
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Postby Violent Mike » Tue May 05, 2020 6:38 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's related to serial killer fetish.

It's related to America's historic traditions of racism and misogyny.

lol no it isn't

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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:38 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Sorry, but I've seen the video in question. He's never in the same shot as the crowd and there's nothing to suggest it was shot recently. NK is perfectly capable of faking this kind of thing. They're a police state that specializes in propaganda.

Plus, he looked a little off in it too. Like he wasn't feeling well. His movement and behavior was abnormal for someone who is supposedly in good health. Until they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he's perfectly fine I'm going to remain skeptical.

There are people with masks in the same shot as him. Look more closely.

Also, you're saying that it wasn't him in his first video and that it was in his second. It is more likely that he is not in perfect health; he is most definitely obese and diabetic.

Kim Jong-un is alive beyond a reasonable doubt. I still find it pretty mind-boggling that people have extreme suspicion of statements by the ROK, the DPRK, and America that he is alive, and also of official photographic and video evidence that he is alive, when in the first case there was absolutely no kind of proof that he was ever dead or even unwell.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue May 05, 2020 6:40 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's related to serial killer fetish.

It's related to America's historic traditions of racism and misogyny.

The thirsting in this thread has little to do with racism, misogyny, or America.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue May 05, 2020 6:45 pm

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Gormwood wrote:It's related to serial killer fetish.

It's related to America's historic traditions of racism and misogyny.


Half of this thread was talking about how beautiful Kim's sister was. Where was the racism?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 05, 2020 6:46 pm

Green October Z wrote:
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Dude, she's a 6/10 at best.


I am not going to lie, I think she is pretty cute. If only her personality could be just as nice...


It appears that her personality (or at least work history and statements) is oriented towards Control, Domination, Law and Order.

These things are not in and of themselves against the principles of good governance. In fact, in the North Korean political context, assuming she has enough force of will, she may be able to rule in the event Mr. Kim is no longer able to do so... until a future male heir come of age basically.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:49 pm

Heloin wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Regardless of whether or not you trust their government, a lot of information on the DPRK is freely available if you just bother to look it up, and there are people who study and do reporting on it for a living.

Virtually no information is freely available, North Korea doesn't share and doesn't tell aside from clean scrubbed propaganda. The people who report of North Korea do a lot of fucking hard work but still, why the hell do you think everyone thought he was definitely dead the last few weeks?

Not all information on the DPRK has to be solely consumed through accepting state propaganda. There is satellite imagery, intelligence, common testimonies from defectors, information released by state media on things they wouldn't lie about, analyses of prices in black/gray markets, analyses of state media, and so on.

No one who actually studies the DPRK believed he was dead. Neither did the ROK, which conducts the most intelligence regarding the DPRK and is actually the source of a lot of scoops regarding the DPRK for Western media. Instead, there was heavy criticism from Western Korea experts and ROK liberals regarding the rumors.

TMZ and a bunch of people who couldn't point out Korea on a map do not count as "everyone."
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Green October Z wrote:
I am not going to lie, I think she is pretty cute. If only her personality could be just as nice...


It appears that her personality (or at least work history and statements) is oriented towards Control, Domination, Law and Order.

These things are not in and of themselves against the principles of good governance. In fact, in the North Korean political context, assuming she has enough force of will, she may be able to rule in the event Mr. Kim is no longer able to do so... until a future male heir come of age basically.

Name a single statement she has made.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 6:59 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:It's related to America's historic traditions of racism and misogyny.


Half of this thread was talking about how beautiful Kim's sister was. Where was the racism?

There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.
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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 7:04 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Green October Z wrote:
I am not going to lie, I think she is pretty cute. If only her personality could be just as nice...


It appears that her personality (or at least work history and statements) is oriented towards Control, Domination...


.......Oh, boy

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 05, 2020 7:11 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It appears that her personality (or at least work history and statements) is oriented towards Control, Domination, Law and Order.

These things are not in and of themselves against the principles of good governance. In fact, in the North Korean political context, assuming she has enough force of will, she may be able to rule in the event Mr. Kim is no longer able to do so... until a future male heir come of age basically.

Name a single statement she has made.


I looked all over the internet and there’s not much to go on... but she did seem to say:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... korea/amp/

Nicknamed the “Ivanka Trump of North Korea,” Kim Yo Jong said last month that President Trump and her brother had “special and firm personal relations,” despite the ongoing conflict around the latter’s nuclear weapons, an arsenal the rising leader seems inclined to protect.

Charged with pushing North Korean propaganda and protecting her brother’s reputation, she recently called South Korea a “frightened dog barking” for objecting to a live-fire military demonstration by the state, the Guardian notes.


That’s some pretty tough statements.

Also, I think we can infer that a lot if what the NK propaganda machine has been saying has had her input. Look at this from Wikipedia:

Leadership of the Propaganda and Agitation Department
In her role as vice-director at the department, Kim was responsible for “assisting in consolidating Kim Jong-un’s power” by implementing “idolisation projects".[14] In July 2015, reports described her as playing the role of de facto leader of the department, with nominal director Kim Ki-nam in a supporting role.[14][15] She also holds a vice-ministerial post, but her portfolio is not known.[16] She regularly accompanies Kim Jong-un on his "field guidance" trips.[17]

She has been said to be the driving force behind the development of her brother's cult of personality, modelled after that of their grandfather, Kim Il-sung.[18] Thae Yong-ho, a North Korean defector and former diplomat, said in 2017 that Kim Yo-jong organised all major public events in North Korea. Kim Yo-jong was said to have encouraged her brother to present an image of a "man of the people" with, for example, rides on fairground attractions and his friendship with the basketball star Dennis Rodman.[19][20]


So to summarize, it appears she doesn’t say much directly, but she’s able to shape what the NK state says.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue May 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
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Half of this thread was talking about how beautiful Kim's sister was. Where was the racism?

There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.


Ah understandable point, the amount of obsession with Kim's sister in this thread is weird.
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Postby Violent Mike » Tue May 05, 2020 7:19 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Half of this thread was talking about how beautiful Kim's sister was. Where was the racism?

There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.

DPRK is pretty crazy dog.

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Postby Green October Z » Tue May 05, 2020 7:22 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.


Ah understandable point, the amount of obsession with Kim's sister in this thread is weird.


Not really. With Kim Jong-Un possibly out of the picture soon, it makes sense to talk about his successor which by the looks of things will be his little sister <3
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 05, 2020 7:24 pm

Violent Mike wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:There is immediate sexualization of fetishization of an East Asian woman with the entirety of her portrayal being through the lens of the "Dragon Lady," a common racist trope of East Asian women in America as being untrustworthy, overtly sexual and aggressive, and mysterious.

People are making immediate assumptions of craziness, for which there is no basis apart from stereotypes regarding craziness for the DPRK, women, and women of color, when they do not actually know anything about her apart from the fact that she is Kim Jong-un's sister.

DPRK is pretty crazy dog.

No serious analyst or Korean considers them crazy.

Please state what you think is crazy.
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