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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
300
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
159
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
42
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
62
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
30
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
23
3%
I was hospitalized with COVID-19
9
1%
I don't know/unsure/other
57
8%
 
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun May 03, 2020 1:33 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:Immunized?

if you had it you therefore have antibodies.

...no that's not what "immunized" means. It usually refers to vaccination. I think what Nakena meant is "immunity".

And there is not yet any evidence that post-Covid immunity lasts for a long time.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 1:36 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:if you had it you therefore have antibodies.

...no that's not what "immunized" means. It usually refers to vaccination. I think what Nakena meant is "immunity".

And there is not yet any evidence that post-Covid immunity lasts for a long time.


Yes. The numbers are entirely speculative and will remain so until testing has been implemented wide-scaled.

And yes its unknown for how long it lasts.

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Postby Lost Memories » Sun May 03, 2020 1:41 pm

Oh wow, did you guys see the lego mockery video from china directed to the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3cIoXccr8


They conveniently cut out all those annoying little details, like the disappearing of journalists reporting on the hospitals overload, or the silencing of the first doctors warning about the virus.
But little lego people talking with silly voices is funny.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 1:44 pm

Lost Memories wrote:Oh wow, did you guys see the lego mockery video from china directed to the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3cIoXccr8


They conveniently cut out all those annoying little details, like the disappearing of journalists reporting on the hospitals overload, or the silencing of the first doctors warning about the virus.
But little lego people talking with silly voices is funny.


The bastards gas lighted like no tomorrow, rewriting history where they warned us and we didn't listen (they didn't warn us).

Imagine being a whole ass government and making Lego videos to mock your foes while lying once again, this time about your history of lying. And this only comes days after they called Australia gum on their shoes. Is China regressing to child like behavior in this time of crisis? Screw of Xi, go step on a damn lego block you Big Boy ripoff looking ass motherfucker.
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Postby Theodosiya » Sun May 03, 2020 1:47 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Freedom must always be the top priority because life without freedom isn't worth living.

If you spread the virus to someone you are negatively impacting that person's freedom.

Many people already told him so or something along the line. Guess what? Yours are likely to be refuted or ignored too.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 1:49 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Oh wow, did you guys see the lego mockery video from china directed to the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3cIoXccr8


They conveniently cut out all those annoying little details, like the disappearing of journalists reporting on the hospitals overload, or the silencing of the first doctors warning about the virus.
But little lego people talking with silly voices is funny.


The bastards gas lighted like no tomorrow, rewriting history where they warned us and we didn't listen (they didn't warn us).

Imagine being a whole ass government and making Lego videos to mock your foes while lying once again, this time about your history of lying. And this only comes days after they called Australia gum on their shoes. Is China regressing to child like behavior in this time of crisis? Screw of Xi, go step on a damn lego block you Big Boy ripoff looking ass motherfucker.


China's basically acting like a bully right now, and they're doing that because they know the current Western governments won't do shit to hurt them.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:04 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Freedom must always be the top priority because life without freedom isn't worth living.

If you spread the virus to someone you are negatively impacting that person's freedom.


Your freedom ends where someone else's begins. It's why murder isn't legal anywhere other than the ghetto. You should have a right to go wherever you want and do what you want in a normal time and this is definitely not a normal time. If certain restrictions are the only thing standing between safety and death, then we gotta use them. I question the need for certain restrictions but I do not question the need for restrictions of some sort. We can't just go around pretending COVID isn't real.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:05 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The bastards gas lighted like no tomorrow, rewriting history where they warned us and we didn't listen (they didn't warn us).

Imagine being a whole ass government and making Lego videos to mock your foes while lying once again, this time about your history of lying. And this only comes days after they called Australia gum on their shoes. Is China regressing to child like behavior in this time of crisis? Screw of Xi, go step on a damn lego block you Big Boy ripoff looking ass motherfucker.


China's basically acting like a bully right now, and they're doing that because they know the current Western governments won't do shit to hurt them.


They're acting like an annoying 12 year old. I don't know what irritated me more. The lies the video spewed or the legos. Why are they using legos?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 2:12 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Oh wow, did you guys see the lego mockery video from china directed to the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3cIoXccr8


They conveniently cut out all those annoying little details, like the disappearing of journalists reporting on the hospitals overload, or the silencing of the first doctors warning about the virus.
But little lego people talking with silly voices is funny.


The bastards gas lighted like no tomorrow, rewriting history where they warned us and we didn't listen (they didn't warn us).

Imagine being a whole ass government and making Lego videos to mock your foes while lying once again, this time about your history of lying. And this only comes days after they called Australia gum on their shoes. Is China regressing to child like behavior in this time of crisis? Screw of Xi, go step on a damn lego block you Big Boy ripoff looking ass motherfucker.


The US did ignore warnings for at least a month after China admitted there was a problem.

Xi can still step on a lego, though. He's an annoying snotbag and a control freak.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:12 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The bastards gas lighted like no tomorrow, rewriting history where they warned us and we didn't listen (they didn't warn us).

Imagine being a whole ass government and making Lego videos to mock your foes while lying once again, this time about your history of lying. And this only comes days after they called Australia gum on their shoes. Is China regressing to child like behavior in this time of crisis? Screw of Xi, go step on a damn lego block you Big Boy ripoff looking ass motherfucker.


The US did ignore warnings for at least a month after China admitted there was a problem.

Xi can still step on a lego, though. He's an annoying snotbag and a control freak.


China didn't really warn us though. They eventually admitted there was a problem after hiding it.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 03, 2020 2:14 pm

China's screw-ups gave the rest of the world the opportunity to have their own screw-ups.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:16 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:China's screw-ups gave the rest of the world the opportunity to have their own screw-ups.


I still hear Boris Johnson's voice in my nightmares saying "herd immunity is what we need. Herd immunity is the answer."
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 2:23 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:China's screw-ups gave the rest of the world the opportunity to have their own screw-ups.


I still hear Boris Johnson's voice in my nightmares saying "herd immunity is what we need. Herd immunity is the answer."


Boris Johnson likely is saying I got my immunity fuck the rest of you, open this country.
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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 2:25 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:China's screw-ups gave the rest of the world the opportunity to have their own screw-ups.


The virus was likely to get out with or without any screw ups.

Rojava Free State wrote:China didn't really warn us though. They eventually admitted there was a problem after hiding it.


The US wasn't going to do anything about it anyway. They ignored the problem even after they were aware of it.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:26 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I still hear Boris Johnson's voice in my nightmares saying "herd immunity is what we need. Herd immunity is the answer."


Boris Johnson likely is saying I got my immunity fuck the rest of you, open this country.


"I have a saying that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. If that is indeed the case, then I must be superman thanks to the coronavirus." -Probably Boris Johnson
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:27 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:China's screw-ups gave the rest of the world the opportunity to have their own screw-ups.


The virus was likely to get out with or without any screw ups.

Rojava Free State wrote:China didn't really warn us though. They eventually admitted there was a problem after hiding it.


The US wasn't going to do anything about it anyway. They ignored the problem even after they were aware of it.


I highly doubt things would be nearly as bad right now had china been open about it from the start. This thing would have been the next SARS. This horrible pandemic happened due to fatal mistakes and coverups. It wasn't predestined.
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Postby Maineiacs » Sun May 03, 2020 2:28 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I still hear Boris Johnson's voice in my nightmares saying "herd immunity is what we need. Herd immunity is the answer."


Boris Johnson likely is saying I got my immunity fuck the rest of you, open this country.



Can you imagine how insufferable Trump would be if he had contracted and recovered from COVID?
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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 2:29 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Boris Johnson likely is saying I got my immunity fuck the rest of you, open this country.


"I have a saying that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. If that is indeed the case, then I must be superman thanks to the coronavirus." -Probably Boris Johnson


Someone should tell him that's not how viral diseases work.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:30 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Boris Johnson likely is saying I got my immunity fuck the rest of you, open this country.



Can you imagine how insufferable Trump would be if he had contracted and recovered from COVID?


"This thing is just the flu. I had it and all that happened was I kept coughing all the time, so where are these 65,000 COVID deaths coming from? I've instructed the governors to end all restrictions or face sanctions, because these lockdowns are completely overblown. This virus is highly overrated.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:31 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
"I have a saying that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. If that is indeed the case, then I must be superman thanks to the coronavirus." -Probably Boris Johnson


Someone should tell him that's not how viral diseases work.


I imagine Boris Johnson running out into the street and getting struck by a car, and when someone asks him why he did it at the hospital, he would say "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I'm gonna keep almost dying so I eventually become like Captain America."
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 2:32 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
The virus was likely to get out with or without any screw ups.



The US wasn't going to do anything about it anyway. They ignored the problem even after they were aware of it.


I highly doubt things would be nearly as bad right now had china been open about it from the start. This thing would have been the next SARS. This horrible pandemic happened due to fatal mistakes and coverups. It wasn't predestined.


It is not SARS. It is much easier to spread before symptoms appear.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun May 03, 2020 2:37 pm

And all of a sudden, HM Government is no longer meeting its six-figure daily testing target.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:39 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I highly doubt things would be nearly as bad right now had china been open about it from the start. This thing would have been the next SARS. This horrible pandemic happened due to fatal mistakes and coverups. It wasn't predestined.


It is not SARS. It is much easier to spread before symptoms appear.


What I mean by that is it would be some mysterious disease that most people don't care about. This huge death toll was completely avoidable. 63,000 people died in America cause Trump is a dumbass. Not just because of a virus.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 2:40 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I highly doubt things would be nearly as bad right now had china been open about it from the start. This thing would have been the next SARS. This horrible pandemic happened due to fatal mistakes and coverups. It wasn't predestined.


It is not SARS. It is much easier to spread before symptoms appear.


What I am worried about is what if immunity doesn't last particularly long.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/0 ... -covid-19/

For the cold causing Corona virus immunity last typically 2-4 months. If this is like that we maybe just have to accept this circulating indefinitely. A new small pox if you would.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Tinhampton wrote:And all of a sudden, HM Government is no longer meeting its six-figure daily testing target.

Yes, I have no problems with Nakena recycling my OP for the new thread.


It might morph overtime. But I think you have been the format setter for this and quite likely all future iterations of the thread.

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