by Kyundao » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:51 pm
by Tinhampton » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:25 am
Kyundao wrote:Therefore mandates that: All members of the World Assembly provide homeschooling
by Unthank » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:40 am
by Kyundao » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:51 am
by Tinhampton » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:55 am
Kyundao wrote:Some changes have been made to the draft:
by Maowi » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:10 am
Kyundao wrote:3. All members of the World Assembly implement provisions to ensure that the homeschooling of children follows the necessary requirements such as the completion of annual tests.
by Kyundao » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:19 am
Maowi wrote:OOC:Kyundao wrote:3. All members of the World Assembly implement provisions to ensure that the homeschooling of children follows the necessary requirements such as the completion of annual tests.
This section (emphasis mine) is pretty ambiguous. Given that this already exists, I suggest replacing the end of that clause with something like "... follows World Assembly requirements for standards of education."
by Maowi » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:17 am
Kyundao wrote:
I'm pretty sure that falls under the House of Cards rule since it would be relying on previous resolutions.
by Grays Harbor » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:37 am
by Maowi » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:15 pm
Grays Harbor wrote:Promotion of Basic Education, Res 80 only states that all citizens have a right to basic education. It does not specify where that education come from, be it government schools, private schools, internet, homeschooled, or meditation with the Great Auk.
So, why do we need something which only states “You can do it like this one specific way!”. In my eyes, this appears to be pointless duplication.
by Grays Harbor » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:30 pm
Maowi wrote:Grays Harbor wrote:Promotion of Basic Education, Res 80 only states that all citizens have a right to basic education. It does not specify where that education come from, be it government schools, private schools, internet, homeschooled, or meditation with the Great Auk.
So, why do we need something which only states “You can do it like this one specific way!”. In my eyes, this appears to be pointless duplication.
OOC: Couldn't this be interpreted as a blocker for a future resolution banning homeschooling? If that is a correct view of it, it would also probably need to take more substantive action of some sort to be legal, afaik
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:03 pm
by Kyundao » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:52 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:GH, Maowi is referring to this proposal here blocking a future blocker for homeschooling.
That said, more broadly to everyone else, I'd be more interested in a resolution explicitly permitting member nations the authority to require student attendance at state schools. Hilariously, the last time this came up, CD called me a fascist.
by Terttia » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:34 pm
by Kyundao » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:37 pm
Terttia wrote:Kyundao wrote:
Vocational schools have been included in the draft.
OOC: I think that you misunderstood what I meant. You see, students in vocational school require (at least according to my friends that have been to vocational school) a rather great deal of supervision. Do you expect instructors to reasonably monitor students when they’re homeschooled? Also, a lot of tools (again, according to those friends) are shared. That would nearly logistically impossible to transport tools to each student’s house.
by Terttia » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:53 pm
Kyundao wrote:Terttia wrote:OOC: I think that you misunderstood what I meant. You see, students in vocational school require (at least according to my friends that have been to vocational school) a rather great deal of supervision. Do you expect instructors to reasonably monitor students when they’re homeschooled? Also, a lot of tools (again, according to those friends) are shared. That would nearly logistically impossible to transport tools to each student’s house.
The revision says that homeschooling should be an alternative to public, private AND vocational schools. Homeschooled students obviously don't have to do what you're alluding to.
by Kyundao » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:09 pm
Terttia wrote:Kyundao wrote:
The revision says that homeschooling should be an alternative to public, private AND vocational schools. Homeschooled students obviously don't have to do what you're alluding to.
OOC: What are any alternatives to professionally learning technical skills, apart from attending a vocational school?
Also, clause 3 states, “3. All members of the World Assembly implement [sic] provisions to ensure that the homeschooling of children meets the necessary requirements such as the completion of annual tests.” If homeschooling is an alternative in a curriculum sense, how are member nations supposed to comply with that clause since the standards are, according to you, different?
by Terttia » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:59 pm
Kyundao wrote:Some public schools teach things such as finances and investing.
Kyundao wrote:As for your take on clause 3, I never mentioned differences (in other words you're strawmanning), but now that you brought them up, I may as well purposely leave differences between WA nations out in order to give them enough leeway to enforce this resolution should it pass.
by Grays Harbor » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:19 am
Kyundao wrote:Guys, I think the draft is now fine as is. Before I submit it, let me know what you'd like to add or change.
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