[DRAFT] Condemn The World Assembly Elite

[Trigori]

I'll tell you. Raiding's fine. The proposal is stupid. I don't care what my WAD does. But raiding to kick off delegates supporting a WA proposal so it doesn't reach quorum is pretty damn greasy.

And...?

What "and?" I told you what I think. Conclude yourself.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The Black Hawks also participated in the later two raids. So much for apolitical. This was possibly as retaliation for my draft to "Repeal: Condemn The Black Hawks".

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No, we screwed around with delegates because we don't like you, and are under no obligations to be apolitical like you seem to think we are.

It's okay buddy, there's no love lost there - we don't really like TBH much either. However, it's no secret that TBH holds absolutely no power over the CCD as we're impossible to raid

That said, as another nation has put it quite well, it's "pretty greasy" for you to attack unrelated regions just for their approval... especially when at that point I'd long conceeded it wouldn't make quorum on this attempt and I would have to resubmit at a later date.

[Byrdonia]

Honestly this is a new level of filth as curupt as a dictatorships voting season

[The New California Republic]

We will not be silenced

Gotta tilt at those WA windmills, they have invisible scripts hidden inside.

[Druing]

+1 support

[Sensorland]

As people have likely noticed, this proposal "failed" to make quorum.

Why? A majority of GCRs: The Pacific, The North Pacific, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, and Balder raided small regions to force a change in their WA Delegate and remove their approval from this resolution.

Cool. Mission accomplished.

[Bowzin]

As people have likely noticed, this proposal "failed" to make quorum.

Why? A majority of GCRs: The Pacific, The North Pacific, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, and Balder raided small regions to force a change in their WA Delegate and remove their approval from this resolution.

A bunch of friends and allies got together to bash fash and fash related resolutions How evil of these GCRs to work to make NationStates a better place

[The Gilded Star]

As people have likely noticed, this proposal "failed" to make quorum.

Why? A majority of GCRs: The Pacific, The North Pacific, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, and Balder raided small regions to force a change in their WA Delegate and remove their approval from this resolution.

Reenactment of this event in gif form:

[Boda]

Fight back if you really think it's worth fighting for.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

[WayNeacTia]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

The last campaign telegram used exactly 871 telegram stamps after refunds. 87 cents.

I'm not really sure how far that's going to go towards filling up NationStates' coffers, but okay, sure.

[The Gilded Star]

I'll take a shot at legit proposal appraisal:

Horrified at their continued use of slander, by falsely labelling nations as "fascists" or "Nazis" in order to discredit them if they dare question their oppressive regime;

As far as I know, the Security Council stays in-character, and can't reference OOC/real-world circumstances.

In-character, many of the regions "RP" as Fascist/Nazi regions, or even have Fascist or Nazi in their names:

https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... st_nations
https://www.nationstates.net/region=nazi_europa
https://www.nationstates.net/region=uni ... ssociation
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_new_iron_order
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... xis_powers
https://www.nationstates.net/region=fifth_empire
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... socialists
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... azi_empire

From an in-character point of view, how is calling self-identified Nazi and Fascist regions "Nazi and Fascist regions" slander?

Whatever the "WA Elite" OOCly accuse of being Nazi/Fascist shouldn't come into the equation since that's entirely OOC and thus has no place within the in-character Security Council.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Here's a question/critique: what do you expect to happen after you resubmit? Assume that you manage to get it to vote. What odds do you give yourself for it passing?

[The New California Republic]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Here's a question/critique: what do you expect to happen after you resubmit? Assume that you manage to get it to vote. What odds do you give yourself for it passing?

Tbh this along with the other stuff they have recently submitted in the SC is just for one or both of the following reasons: recruitment purposes and/or to vent anger at folk hating them actually having consequences (who would have thought? ).

[Lord Dominator]

And...?

What "and?" I told you what I think. Conclude yourself.

Ah, so you're just calling us greasy and weren't attempting to convince me of anything. Gotcha.

No, we screwed around with delegates because we don't like you, and are under no obligations to be apolitical like you seem to think we are.

It's okay buddy, there's no love lost there - we don't really like TBH much either. However, it's no secret that TBH holds absolutely no power over the CCD as we're impossible to raid

That said, as another nation has put it quite well, it's "pretty greasy" for you to attack unrelated regions just for their approval... especially when at that point I'd long conceeded it wouldn't make quorum on this attempt and I would have to resubmit at a later date.

See general above points, you're attempting to call a nearly 15 year old organization dedicated to trashing random regions "greasy." Hardly a meaningful point.

[WayNeacTia]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Here's a question/critique: what do you expect to happen after you resubmit? Assume that you manage to get it to vote. What odds do you give yourself for it passing?

I'd put better odds on you becoming pregnant

[Xoriet]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Why would you submit something that will end in the resolution not even passing, should you get it to quorum at all given the circumstances? It's a waste of stamp money for a little publicity. Since you were begging the fash for funds not that long ago, I suppose you must have found a new source of revenue for stamps after the departure of Riakou. A conspiracy theory is hardly worth this level of effort.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Here's a question/critique: what do you expect to happen after you resubmit? Assume that you manage to get it to vote. What odds do you give yourself for it passing?

It depends. I'm fairly confident we can get it to vote next time around, we were a single approval short this time before the raiding started.

At vote? Realistically pretty low, the WA Elite has too much influence and too many votes. However, at the very least we should raise awareness and gain support for real change within the World Assembly, for example reducing the inequality resulting from large Delegate votes.

I'll take a shot at legit proposal appraisal:

Horrified at their continued use of slander, by falsely labelling nations as "fascists" or "Nazis" in order to discredit them if they dare question their oppressive regime;

As far as I know, the Security Council stays in-character, and can't reference OOC/real-world circumstances.

In-character, many of the regions "RP" as Fascist/Nazi regions, or even have Fascist or Nazi in their names:

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From an in-character point of view, how is calling self-identified Nazi and Fascist regions "Nazi and Fascist regions" slander?

Whatever the "WA Elite" OOCly accuse of being Nazi/Fascist shouldn't come into the equation since that's entirely OOC and thus has no place within the in-character Security Council.

This is referring to the many regions, including the CCD, that are in-game dictatorial but not fascist nations or regions.

The proposal is now being re-drafted, and will be re-submitted in the near future.

Anyone with suggestions should feel free to contribute and I'll take everything on board, if there are no genuine suggestions I'm likely to re-submit it largely unchanged.

Why would you submit something that will end in the resolution not even passing, should you get it to quorum at all given the circumstances? It's a waste of stamp money for a little publicity. Since you were begging the fash for funds not that long ago, I suppose you must have found a new source of revenue for stamps after the departure of Riakou. A conspiracy theory is hardly worth this level of effort.

87 cents. I'm also very confident we'll get to quorum next time around.

Plus, really, it's not much effort from me - I'll look over it and maybe re-draft, then submit the proposal and send out two telegrams. If that's going to get six major raiding organisations including four feeders, Balder and TBH, to waste their time temporarily knocking off Delegates instead of actually raiding, I'll take that

[Agarntrop]

Opposed.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Here's a question/critique: what do you expect to happen after you resubmit? Assume that you manage to get it to vote. What odds do you give yourself for it passing?

It depends. I'm fairly confident we can get it to vote next time around, we were a single approval short this time before the raiding started.

At vote? Realistically pretty low, the WA Elite has too much influence and too many votes. However, at the very least we should raise awareness and gain support for real change within the World Assembly, for example reducing the inequality resulting from large Delegate votes.

Do you think you're the first person to raise this issue? And do you think that this is the way to foster technical changes in the game? I'd encourage you to read the Technical forum. There have probably been a dozen threads about this very issue. Pass or fail, the resolution will have no impact on whether a technical change should or will be made.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

It depends. I'm fairly confident we can get it to vote next time around, we were a single approval short this time before the raiding started.

At vote? Realistically pretty low, the WA Elite has too much influence and too many votes. However, at the very least we should raise awareness and gain support for real change within the World Assembly, for example reducing the inequality resulting from large Delegate votes.

Do you think you're the first person to raise this issue? And do you think that this is the way to foster technical changes in the game? I'd encourage you to read the Technical forum. There have probably been a dozen threads about this very issue. Pass or fail, the resolution will have no impact on whether a technical change should or will be made.

Thanks for the tip, but believe me, I've seen the posts you're referring to. I've created one of those posts: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132

This is not the only reason I'm fighting for this to pass, but it's a major part. I am well aware that this resolution passing will not cause the current system to change, but it may very well create the change in public opinion that leads to it.

[The New California Republic]

This is not the only reason I'm fighting for this to pass, but it's a major part. I am well aware that this resolution passing will not cause the current system to change, but it may very well create the change in public opinion that leads to it.

It won't. Pigs will fly before that happens. Don't kid yourself. Save yourself the trouble.

[Lord Dominator]

As the mods & admins will be happy to tell you, Technical changes are not decided by a popularity contest.

[The New California Republic]

As the mods & admins will be happy to tell you, Technical changes are not decided by a popularity contest.

Indeed. It's ridiculous to assume an SC proposal will lead to technical changes.