by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:56 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:53 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Tornado Queendom » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:11 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
by Diarcesia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:16 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:As I've alluded to before, the W.H.O. has discredited itself on coronavirus. But what about the leaders who, on their advice, hesitated to enact travel bans? Their poor judgment in deferring to the W.H.O. got tens of thousands of people killed. Does the W.H.O. bear full liability for this, or do the "leaders" who listened to them deserve at least a share of the blame? (Or, at the very least, warrant stepping aside to make way for those who had the sense to suspect the W.H.O. were China's stooges from the start?) By what standard is culpability divided on this matter?
I feel there's been a shockwave of discreditings created by this virus. Pandemic spread has discredited the left on globalism. Supplies hoarding has discredited the right on capitalism. And as for comparisons to climate change... I don't know how whether the left's alarmist tone vs. hesitancy on drastic action (compared to this crisis) discredits this more, or the right's "plausible deniability" on whether or not they're actually denying climate change (Trump being an exception, of course) vs. outright opposition to even the left's half-measures (or incidentally, claiming it "fails to do anything about China" while themselves failing to do enough about China) discredits THEM more.
This whole thing is a shockwave of discreditings. I feel that if you put your faith and your trust in an "authority" on the matter and that authority gets discredited, you deserve at least some share of culpability for misplacing your faith and your trust, at least in comparison to those who were ahead of the curve on doubting them. The only question is how much of the culpability, and even I am not really sure whether that's "a lot" or "a little bit."
As for now... I would have a lot more respect for any politician who advocates the immediate abolition of the W.H.O. At least than I did before.
by Cekoviu » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:17 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
Don't forget the general public for "socially distancing" despite its death rate not being NEARLY as high as other diseases that we DON'T lock down our borders for!
by Alba and Cymru » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:24 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Tornado Queendom wrote:Don't forget the general public for "socially distancing" despite its death rate not being NEARLY as high as other diseases that we DON'T lock down our borders for!
...Like? What possible contagious diseases with the same level of transmission as COVID-19 are there that we don't lock things down for?
by Rojava Free State » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:27 pm
Alba and Cymru wrote:Cekoviu wrote:...Like? What possible contagious diseases with the same level of transmission as COVID-19 are there that we don't lock things down for?
I mean, the flu is pretty high up there. We just don't lock down for it because it's seasonal and we play Russian Roulette with the strain of flu that we vaccinate for.
I'm just hoping COVID doesn't become seasonal for now on. The economy already has one shutdown too many. We'll be feeling this slowdown for years.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Cekoviu » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:28 pm
Alba and Cymru wrote:Cekoviu wrote:...Like? What possible contagious diseases with the same level of transmission as COVID-19 are there that we don't lock things down for?
I mean, the flu is pretty high up there. We just don't lock down for it because it's seasonal and we play Russian Roulette with the strain of flu that we vaccinate for.
I'm just hoping COVID doesn't become seasonal for now on. The economy already has one shutdown too many. We'll be feeling this slowdown for years.
by Alba and Cymru » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:32 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Alba and Cymru wrote:
I mean, the flu is pretty high up there. We just don't lock down for it because it's seasonal and we play Russian Roulette with the strain of flu that we vaccinate for.
I'm just hoping COVID doesn't become seasonal for now on. The economy already has one shutdown too many. We'll be feeling this slowdown for years.
Covid is worse than the flu though. It's more similar to the flu than it is to the black plague, but it's still a nastier virus.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:37 pm
Alba and Cymru wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Covid is worse than the flu though. It's more similar to the flu than it is to the black plague, but it's still a nastier virus.
Didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying we take way less precautions with the flu because its a common occurrence. The flu was a death sentence years ago, and look where we are now.
Yes, this virus has a considerable fatality rate, but so does starvation.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Alba and Cymru » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Alba and Cymru wrote:
Didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying we take way less precautions with the flu because its a common occurrence. The flu was a death sentence years ago, and look where we are now.
Yes, this virus has a considerable fatality rate, but so does starvation.
You forgot something though, so lemme whisper this secret to you.
starvation kills more people than COVID, but the rich aren't at risk from it.
by Bombadil » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:50 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:53 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
by Diarcesia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:58 pm
Bombadil wrote:Alas, for many leaders, it's a great opportunity to shit on their people even more..
For Autocrats, and Others, Coronavirus Is a Chance to Grab Even More Power
Leaders around the world have passed emergency decrees and legislation expanding their reach during the pandemic. Will they ever relinquish them?
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by Rojava Free State » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:00 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
Yeah I agree with that assessment. Everyone has fucked up and the whole world is fucked. Not forever fucked just badly fucked. War time bad fucked.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Bromagia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:19 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:01 am
by Ankenland » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:10 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Covid is worse than the flu though. It's more similar to the flu than it is to the black plague, but it's still a nastier virus.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:11 am
Diarcesia wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:As I've alluded to before, the W.H.O. has discredited itself on coronavirus. But what about the leaders who, on their advice, hesitated to enact travel bans? Their poor judgment in deferring to the W.H.O. got tens of thousands of people killed. Does the W.H.O. bear full liability for this, or do the "leaders" who listened to them deserve at least a share of the blame? (Or, at the very least, warrant stepping aside to make way for those who had the sense to suspect the W.H.O. were China's stooges from the start?) By what standard is culpability divided on this matter?
I feel there's been a shockwave of discreditings created by this virus. Pandemic spread has discredited the left on globalism. Supplies hoarding has discredited the right on capitalism. And as for comparisons to climate change... I don't know how whether the left's alarmist tone vs. hesitancy on drastic action (compared to this crisis) discredits this more, or the right's "plausible deniability" on whether or not they're actually denying climate change (Trump being an exception, of course) vs. outright opposition to even the left's half-measures (or incidentally, claiming it "fails to do anything about China" while themselves failing to do enough about China) discredits THEM more.
This whole thing is a shockwave of discreditings. I feel that if you put your faith and your trust in an "authority" on the matter and that authority gets discredited, you deserve at least some share of culpability for misplacing your faith and your trust, at least in comparison to those who were ahead of the curve on doubting them. The only question is how much of the culpability, and even I am not really sure whether that's "a lot" or "a little bit."
As for now... I would have a lot more respect for any politician who advocates the immediate abolition of the W.H.O. At least than I did before.
Hindsight is 2020. The WHO will be discredited also if they recommend proactive lockdowns (again, something that is completely unprecedented) with the attendant economic shutdown/slowdown. Why? The virus will be contained like MERS and Ebola had been and people would be like "What's the big deal with all these lockdowns! You just got me unemployed!". They'll say the WHO doth protest too much and that they acted like the boy who cried wolf.
Still, I personally prefer that the latter's what happened instead of the current situation.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by USS Monitor » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:28 am
Tornado Queendom wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Everybody is to blame. China for covering up COVID, The WHO for spreading misinformation, Europe for not slamming its borders shut and Trump for not preparing and trying to deflect the blame.
Don't forget the general public for "socially distancing" despite its death rate not being NEARLY as high as other diseases that we DON'T lock down our borders for!
by Aclion » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:53 am
Diarcesia wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:As I've alluded to before, the W.H.O. has discredited itself on coronavirus. But what about the leaders who, on their advice, hesitated to enact travel bans? Their poor judgment in deferring to the W.H.O. got tens of thousands of people killed. Does the W.H.O. bear full liability for this, or do the "leaders" who listened to them deserve at least a share of the blame? (Or, at the very least, warrant stepping aside to make way for those who had the sense to suspect the W.H.O. were China's stooges from the start?) By what standard is culpability divided on this matter?
I feel there's been a shockwave of discreditings created by this virus. Pandemic spread has discredited the left on globalism. Supplies hoarding has discredited the right on capitalism. And as for comparisons to climate change... I don't know how whether the left's alarmist tone vs. hesitancy on drastic action (compared to this crisis) discredits this more, or the right's "plausible deniability" on whether or not they're actually denying climate change (Trump being an exception, of course) vs. outright opposition to even the left's half-measures (or incidentally, claiming it "fails to do anything about China" while themselves failing to do enough about China) discredits THEM more.
This whole thing is a shockwave of discreditings. I feel that if you put your faith and your trust in an "authority" on the matter and that authority gets discredited, you deserve at least some share of culpability for misplacing your faith and your trust, at least in comparison to those who were ahead of the curve on doubting them. The only question is how much of the culpability, and even I am not really sure whether that's "a lot" or "a little bit."
As for now... I would have a lot more respect for any politician who advocates the immediate abolition of the W.H.O. At least than I did before.
Hindsight is 2020. The WHO will be discredited also if they recommend proactive lockdowns (again, something that is completely unprecedented) with the attendant economic shutdown/slowdown. Why? The virus will be contained like MERS and Ebola had been and people would be like "What's the big deal with all these lockdowns! You just got me unemployed!". They'll say the WHO doth protest too much and that they acted like the boy who cried wolf.
Still, I personally prefer that the latter's what happened instead of the current situation.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:53 pm
Aclion wrote:World leaders listening to WHO: Fair enough. WHO was a respected organisation.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Andsed » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:45 pm
Ankenland wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Covid is worse than the flu though. It's more similar to the flu than it is to the black plague, but it's still a nastier virus.
2017-18 flu season CDC estimates 80K dead.
Let me know when coronavirus hits that peak - wait, it won't.
I guess, they'll just say that it didn't happen because they shut everything down. This wasn't how I expected capitalism to collapse, but it's fitting.
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