What constitutes a legitimate definition of communism?

[Rojava Free State]

A utopian dream of a society in which the workers are able to manage and equally share in what they produce, instead of the management taking a a majority of the earnings and leaving them with the crumbs.

Noble, certainly, and some concepts of communism have been successfully implemented.

Although whenever a society tries to shift towards it completely, especially through violence, a strongwo/man tends to seize power and make things just as bad as before, and often worse.

Strong woman? She did this?

[Azlaake]

Communism is a political system and an economic system while Socialism is just an economic system

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Communism is when by law, everyone receives all that they need and works all that they can within reason. It also must follow the definition of socialism when it does not contradict anything part of the definition.

Socialism is when by law, the total profit of everything in the economy by law must be shared with all the workers in the economy according to how much work they put into the system (relative to their abilities).

Communism: From each according to ability; to each according to need.
Socialism: From each (according to ability (sort of)); to each according to deed.

[Kubra]

Anyways, communism is the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.
That is to say, ohhhhh we'll figure it out when we get there. We'll hold a referendum every 10 or so years asking everyone "is it communism yet?"

[Major-Tom]

Things I don't like because people who make way more than I ever will have to pay a bit more tax.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Any society which does not assign a monetary value to goods and labour, and along with that, avoids a top-down distribution.

[New Bremerton]

A failed and widely discredited ideology whose legacy is poverty, mass starvation, cultural suicide and genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, infanticide, torture, mass murder, the dismantling of longstanding cultural and political institutions, state capitalism, greed, corruption, megalomania, ultranationalism, racism, homophobia, imperialism, neocolonialism, broken promises, outright lies, shameless propaganda, face-saving coverups, deadly viral pandemics, entitled, elitist, conservative, upper-class snobbery and the accompanying oppression and subjugation of the working poor, and fascism.

Communism is what China used to practice. Fascism is its legacy.

Also the official ideology of a group of rag-tag murderers and terrorists in Malaya and Sarawak during the Cold War, and drug lords and terrorists in Colombia.

An ideology that seeks to confiscate all of my property and see me and my family executed for being "capitalist roaders", "running dogs of Western imperialists" and "bourgeois reactionaries".

[Ifreann]

Communism is when the revolutionaries free your slaves, and the more slaves they free the communister it is.

[Albrenia]

It's kind of odd how some people think free healthcare or benefits for the needy are the same thing as Communism. As if those sort of things must be avoided or else there'll be some asshat with a bushy mustache throwing people in gulags next.

[Alvecia]

Comm-our-nism

[Risottia]

Karl Marx, in the book in which he invented the word "communist," claimed that capitalism was so exploitative it would collapse in on itself, paving the way for collective ownership of the means of MASS production.

Why do people always forgot the point is MASS production? Because they don't understand what Marx says about the exploitation through surplus-value.

Anyway: I would assume that a legitimate definition of communism would be:
1) a state of an industrial society, characterised by the collective ownership of the means of mass production and by the absence of a general-purpose government (As in "We want to build a communist society", "Marxist communism is utopian")
2) a state of a pre-industrial society, characterised by every individual worker contributing all of their product to a pool from which every member of the society can draw from (As in "This tribe practices a form of primitive communism")
3) godless debauchery invented by the Ebul Blood-Drinking, Baby-Eating Kapitalist-Kommie Eurosissy J00z undermining the True $some_adjective$ Way Of Life (TM) to sap and impurify and generally steal your hard-earned collection of Lamborghinis (As in "Public healthcare? Omg THIS IS COMMUNISM! AIEEEE")

[Rojava Free State]

It's kind of odd how some people think free healthcare or benefits for the needy are the same thing as Communism. As if those sort of things must be avoided or else there'll be some asshat with a bushy mustache throwing people in gulags next.

Only the useful idiots believe that. The people on top are more afraid of having to pay more taxes, so they slander anyone to the left of Obama as "communist." And the useful idiots believe that. This is why Joe Biden suddenly had a surge in the polls, because the powers that be are so afraid of not being able to hoard money, and the average useful idiot is so afraid of rotting Stalin, that they would rather have a senile shell of a former vice president run them, or would rather have four more years of Donald Trump, that guy who never matured past age 12.

[Risottia]

so afraid of rotting Stalin

You should not be afraid of rotting Stalin. Ve embalmed him vell.

[Hakons]

It's kind of odd how some people think free healthcare or benefits for the needy are the same thing as Communism. As if those sort of things must be avoided or else there'll be some asshat with a bushy mustache throwing people in gulags next.

For the reverse effect, I find it odd people proudly proclaim their socialist tendencies by supporting mild social programs and admiring Nordic capitalism.

[Rojava Free State]

so afraid of rotting Stalin

You should not be afraid of rotting Stalin. Ve embalmed him vell.

Communist therapist: Rotting Stalin is not real and can't hurt us.

Rotting Stalin:

[Risottia]

You should not be afraid of rotting Stalin. Ve embalmed him vell.

Communist therapist: Rotting Stalin is not real and can't hurt us.

Rotting Stalin:

[Ifreann]

It's kind of odd how some people think free healthcare or benefits for the needy are the same thing as Communism. As if those sort of things must be avoided or else there'll be some asshat with a bushy mustache throwing people in gulags next.

For the reverse effect, I find it odd people proudly proclaim their socialist tendencies by supporting mild social programs and admiring Nordic capitalism.

That's not reverse, that's the same thing. Prominent public figures act like it's communism to be able to see a doctor without bankrupting yourself, people start thinking that this communism stuff sounds pretty good.

[Risottia]

Prominent public figures act like it's communism to be able to see a doctor without bankrupting yourself, people start thinking that this communism stuff sounds pretty good.

Ve all knov tis KOWID-19 is a plot made to make kommunism look good, tere's no need to brag about it.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

I have a new signature.

[Auze]

A utopian dream of a society in which the workers are able to manage and equally share in what they produce, instead of the management taking a a majority of the earnings and leaving them with the crumbs.

Noble, certainly, and some concepts of communism have been successfully implemented.

Although whenever a society tries to shift towards it completely, especially through violence, a strongwo/man tends to seize power and make things just as bad as before, and often worse.

Strong woman? She did this?

There was one case of a female Communist dictator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khertek_Anchimaa-Toka

[Ayytaly]

Communism has two of the greatest accomplishments in the 20th century:

*Kill over 75 million collectivelly through revolts, war, invasions, and Lysenko-based famines

*Glorious-sounding national anthems that made Rocky IV the best of the anthology

[Czechostan]

it's when the government takes and redistributes everyone's toothbrushes.

communists can't agree on a lot of things, and that includes coming up with a definition of communism. you're better off establishing a definition at the beginning of a debate or treatise or whatever than trying to come up with a single definition that everyone can agree on.

[Rojava Free State]

Communism has two of the greatest accomplishments in the 20th century:

*Kill over 75 million collectivelly through revolts, war, invasions, and Lysenko-based famines

*Glorious-sounding national anthems that made Rocky IV the best of the anthology

I wanna create a beasts of no nation style tyranny in post-Xi Jingplague America, and the national anthem will be Eye of the Tiger.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Karl Marx, in the book in which he invented the word "communist," claimed that capitalism was so exploitative it would collapse in on itself, paving the way for collective ownership of the means of MASS production.

Why do people always forgot the point is MASS production? Because they don't understand what Marx says about the exploitation through surplus-value.

Anyway: I would assume that a legitimate definition of communism would be:
1) a state of an industrial society, characterised by the collective ownership of the means of mass production and by the absence of a general-purpose government (As in "We want to build a communist society", "Marxist communism is utopian")
2) a state of a pre-industrial society, characterised by every individual worker contributing all of their product to a pool from which every member of the society can draw from (As in "This tribe practices a form of primitive communism")
3) godless debauchery invented by the Ebul Blood-Drinking, Baby-Eating Kapitalist-Kommie Eurosissy J00z undermining the True $some_adjective$ Way Of Life (TM) to sap and impurify and generally steal your hard-earned collection of Lamborghinis (As in "Public healthcare? Omg THIS IS COMMUNISM! AIEEEE")

Your description is obviously not comprehensive.The Manifesto of the Communist Party is very clear

1.Democracy and freedom.The country is ruled by the people, and the laborer owns the means of production,Eliminate capitalists.
2.Replacing private ownership with public ownership.Social welfare and state-owned enterprises are only part of the public ownership society
3.Class struggle and violent revolution.The communists will not compromise in exterminating the capitalists
People get rid of the shackles of labor and employment system to gain freedom. People are no longer worried about losing their jobs, they are no longer afraid to lose their jobs, and they are even willing to sell their souls for money.Everyone will get enough material and education. To do his best and favorite job, but everyone has to work.Extermination of religion.Democracy, freedom, science and Trinity are indispensable.
The reason why Marxism is a utopia is that the present social productivity and cultural level are far from being reached.Because now we have to rely on capital to produce

[Mossat]

Why do people always forgot the point is MASS production? Because they don't understand what Marx says about the exploitation through surplus-value.

Anyway: I would assume that a legitimate definition of communism would be:
1) a state of an industrial society, characterised by the collective ownership of the means of mass production and by the absence of a general-purpose government (As in "We want to build a communist society", "Marxist communism is utopian")
2) a state of a pre-industrial society, characterised by every individual worker contributing all of their product to a pool from which every member of the society can draw from (As in "This tribe practices a form of primitive communism")
3) godless debauchery invented by the Ebul Blood-Drinking, Baby-Eating Kapitalist-Kommie Eurosissy J00z undermining the True $some_adjective$ Way Of Life (TM) to sap and impurify and generally steal your hard-earned collection of Lamborghinis (As in "Public healthcare? Omg THIS IS COMMUNISM! AIEEEE")

Your description is obviously not comprehensive.The Manifesto of the Communist Party is very clear

1.Democracy and freedom.The country is ruled by the people, and the laborer owns the means of production,Eliminate capitalists.
2.Replacing private ownership with public ownership.Social welfare and state-owned enterprises are only part of the public ownership society
3.Class struggle and violent revolution.The communists will not compromise in exterminating the capitalists
People get rid of the shackles of labor and employment system to gain freedom. People are no longer worried about losing their jobs, they are no longer afraid to lose their jobs, and they are even willing to sell their souls for money.Everyone will get enough material and education. To do his best and favorite job, but everyone has to work.Extermination of religion.Democracy, freedom, science and Trinity are indispensable.
The reason why Marxism is a utopia is that the present social productivity and cultural level are far from being reached.Because now we have to rely on capital to produce

At what point does the leadership class become obsolete? Understanding that human beings with the intellectual freedom to produce the much talked about Marxist utopia are individuals that do not operate on hive mind instinct, someone is going to have to lead them into the communist future. At which point does that leadership class (which is exactly what it is, a social class in a classless society) decide "okay, I've done enough. Time to re-integrate into the workers as one of them. Time to abdicate all of my political power."

Time has proven, again and again, that the communist "leaders" are communists in name only. They attain political power, they keep their political power, and the context of the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariat changes from one of economic capital to political capital as the leadership class becomes the Marxist definition of a "capitalist" but with political power. One class has all the power, the other class is shackled by their powerlessness. The Chinese "communists" are perfectly content to have their Proletariat in the supine position they have been forced into.