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by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:44 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Albrenia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:49 am
by Zapato » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:24 am
Albrenia wrote:So, after reading through this thread and thinking a little, I think I've changed my mind.
Perhaps it is possible to avoid feeding into Trump's little game without endangering lives. Publicly say you need the machines, make a really big deal about it and the urgency of the need while neither grovelling for them nor being openly defiant. Put the ball in Trump's court with a direct, urgent request while trying to also gather as many machines as one can with one's own resources.
That might work, maybe? Trump might even be more likely to deliver machines to avoid looking bad, as opposed to just 'rewarding' a good grovelling session from an opponent.
by Albrenia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:29 am
Zapato wrote:Albrenia wrote:So, after reading through this thread and thinking a little, I think I've changed my mind.
Perhaps it is possible to avoid feeding into Trump's little game without endangering lives. Publicly say you need the machines, make a really big deal about it and the urgency of the need while neither grovelling for them nor being openly defiant. Put the ball in Trump's court with a direct, urgent request while trying to also gather as many machines as one can with one's own resources.
That might work, maybe? Trump might even be more likely to deliver machines to avoid looking bad, as opposed to just 'rewarding' a good grovelling session from an opponent.
What if the leader doesn't care about looking bad, tho? If he or she dismisses any bad press simply as "fake news", or attempts to shift the blame back on you - you should have done this yourself, instead of just sitting at home screaming for the Leader to come help you.
by Nakena » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:31 am
Mnemonic
A mnemonic that can be used to remember the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder is shortened as "PRAISE ME":[8][9]
Provocative (or seductive) behavior
Relationships are considered more intimate than they actually are
Attention-seeking
Influenced easily by others or circumstances
Speech (style) wants to impress; lacks detail
Emotional lability; shallowness
Make-up; physical appearance is used to draw attention to self
Exaggerated emotions; theatrical
Additional characteristics may include:
Exhibitionist behavior
Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
Pride of own personality and unwillingness to change, viewing any change as a threat
Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior of a sexual nature
Using factitious somatic symptoms (of physical illness) or psychological disorders to garner attention
A need to be the center of attention
Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification
Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
Making rash decisions[4]
Blaming personal failures or disappointments on others
Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
Being overly dramatic and emotional[5]
Influenced by the suggestions of others[6]
by Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:50 am
by Grenartia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:58 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Forgetting the line of crap this OP starts with and just discussing the basic principle.
Yes I would grovel to save lives, I will stick the shiv in the guy making me grovel side when I have an oppertunity later.
First things, first.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:33 am
Albrenia wrote:Fuck it. I'd grovel to the manchild to save lives, even if it makes his reelection chances stronger.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:42 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:44 am
Albrenia wrote:So, after reading through this thread and thinking a little, I think I've changed my mind.
Perhaps it is possible to avoid feeding into Trump's little game without endangering lives. Publicly say you need the machines, make a really big deal about it and the urgency of the need while neither grovelling for them nor being openly defiant. Put the ball in Trump's court with a direct, urgent request while trying to also gather as many machines as one can with one's own resources.
That might work, maybe? Trump might even be more likely to deliver machines to avoid looking bad, as opposed to just 'rewarding' a good grovelling session from an opponent.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:51 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Dishonesty got us into this mess. Only more honesty could get us out of it.
by Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:56 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:58 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:I have to wonder if the Hurricane Maria Puerto Rico relief aid scandal is what helped convince him the stupid idea?
What does Trump really think that the Democratic governors would willingly take the aid, hide it, then let their own people die simply to fuck him over?Moscareinas wrote:SNIP
You want to try to overthrow the US government in a midst of a viral crisis, and you actually think the general population would side with you simply out of hatred of Trump?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Weaponized EMP Monopolies » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:01 am
Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n-y-c-s-911-system-is-overwhelmed-i-m-terrified-a-paramedic-says/ar-BB11QwEv?ocid=AMZN
So I just read this story and I gotta say, it only made me more pissed at Trump. I'm used to Trump saying stupid shit like "This may be the wettest hurricane we've ever seen, at least from the standpoint of water," but what he's suggesting now is downright evil. I think Trump takes pleasure making his rivals beg him for mercy, and when peoples lives are at stake, that's bullshit. If Trump doesn't send enough ventilators or masks to the states, thousands of people will lose their lives. He would be responsible for condemning thousands to their deaths because of his grudge with a governor. It isn't even about who the states themselves voted for, because my state went for Trump in 2016 and because he can't just deal with Gretchen Whitmer, he has threatened to basically indirectly kill thousands of people in my state. We've said before that Trump doesn't act presidential but this is more than just unpresidential. It's inhumane, it's despicable, it's unbelievably and meaninglessly cruel and it will hurt innocent people. If anyone here still wasn't convinced that Trump was a monster after four years of his crap, here's some more evidence that he is.
by Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:32 am
Weaponized EMP Monopolies wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n-y-c-s-911-system-is-overwhelmed-i-m-terrified-a-paramedic-says/ar-BB11QwEv?ocid=AMZN
So I just read this story and I gotta say, it only made me more pissed at Trump. I'm used to Trump saying stupid shit like "This may be the wettest hurricane we've ever seen, at least from the standpoint of water," but what he's suggesting now is downright evil. I think Trump takes pleasure making his rivals beg him for mercy, and when peoples lives are at stake, that's bullshit. If Trump doesn't send enough ventilators or masks to the states, thousands of people will lose their lives. He would be responsible for condemning thousands to their deaths because of his grudge with a governor. It isn't even about who the states themselves voted for, because my state went for Trump in 2016 and because he can't just deal with Gretchen Whitmer, he has threatened to basically indirectly kill thousands of people in my state. We've said before that Trump doesn't act presidential but this is more than just unpresidential. It's inhumane, it's despicable, it's unbelievably and meaninglessly cruel and it will hurt innocent people. If anyone here still wasn't convinced that Trump was a monster after four years of his crap, here's some more evidence that he is.
people who aren't convinced, at this point, either believe every piece of news critical of the administration is written by cultural marxists with acid for blood or are reassured in their position by trump in his natural state, i.e. being a psychopath
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:38 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Weaponized EMP Monopolies wrote:
people who aren't convinced, at this point, either believe every piece of news critical of the administration is written by cultural marxists with acid for blood or are reassured in their position by trump in his natural state, i.e. being a psychopath
I'm past forgiveness for his fans at this point. It seems like whenever Trump does something awful, instead of them doing the right thing and saying "I was wrong for voting this guy in and this is my fault," they just keep applauding like mindless puppets. As far as I'm concerned, if trump's actions kill people, anyone who voted for this clown is to blame, because they should have seen the warning signs when this guy was up their onstage going "you know the second amendment people, maybe there's something that they can do."
by Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:44 am
Greed and Death wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
I'm past forgiveness for his fans at this point. It seems like whenever Trump does something awful, instead of them doing the right thing and saying "I was wrong for voting this guy in and this is my fault," they just keep applauding like mindless puppets. As far as I'm concerned, if trump's actions kill people, anyone who voted for this clown is to blame, because they should have seen the warning signs when this guy was up their onstage going "you know the second amendment people, maybe there's something that they can do."
It sounds like you want your region cut off from medical aid ?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:28 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
It sounds like you want your region cut off from medical aid ?
I'm not the governor, and my opinion about the president should not hinge on whether he helps us or not. Kinda funny how I would never do this even to Florida, a state I absolutely despise, and yet hes gonna do it to several states because his feelings got hurt.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:38 am
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:46 am
by Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:04 am
Ifreann wrote:Trying to placate the ego of this Trump-esque imaginary president seems like a grossly ineffective way to secure for my people the resources they need to survive this pandemic. I can't possibly know how much ass kissing will be required, and there's no way that it won't be obviously coerced so it may be that no amount of ass-kissing would be sufficient. A better option would be to reach out to similarly situated governors and work together with them to get the resources we all need from somewhere else.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:07 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Ifreann wrote:Trying to placate the ego of this Trump-esque imaginary president seems like a grossly ineffective way to secure for my people the resources they need to survive this pandemic. I can't possibly know how much ass kissing will be required, and there's no way that it won't be obviously coerced so it may be that no amount of ass-kissing would be sufficient. A better option would be to reach out to similarly situated governors and work together with them to get the resources we all need from somewhere else.
They honestly should try to buy supplies from Canada, just to piss the embarrassment we have for a president off.
by Greed and Death » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:09 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Ifreann wrote:Trying to placate the ego of this Trump-esque imaginary president seems like a grossly ineffective way to secure for my people the resources they need to survive this pandemic. I can't possibly know how much ass kissing will be required, and there's no way that it won't be obviously coerced so it may be that no amount of ass-kissing would be sufficient. A better option would be to reach out to similarly situated governors and work together with them to get the resources we all need from somewhere else.
They honestly should try to buy supplies from Canada, just to piss the embarrassment we have for a president off.
by Cisairse » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:30 am
Albrenia wrote:So, after reading through this thread and thinking a little, I think I've changed my mind.
Perhaps it is possible to avoid feeding into Trump's little game without endangering lives. Publicly say you need the machines, make a really big deal about it and the urgency of the need while neither grovelling for them nor being openly defiant. Put the ball in Trump's court with a direct, urgent request while trying to also gather as many machines as one can with one's own resources.
That might work, maybe? Trump might even be more likely to deliver machines to avoid looking bad, as opposed to just 'rewarding' a good grovelling session from an opponent.
by Cisairse » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:32 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Question: Have we really established that legitimizing dishonesty won't just get more people killed in the long run?
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