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by Xmara » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:33 pm
by Albrenia » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:33 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Moscareinas wrote:Guys, if we don't want this to be just an extension of the Trump thread, we gotta turn the villain of this thread into a tyrannical everyman: not just Trump, not just Xi, not just Kim, not just any single authoritarian fuckwad with the power to maim and kill for fucking headpats, but all of them.
Oh god, no. Not...Not Lmao Zedong!
by Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:47 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Farnhamia » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:34 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Albrenia wrote:
My god... Lmao Zedong is a meme I can get behind.
Lmao Zedong was one of the worst tyrants that never was. During his reign of terror in Bing Bing bong, Zedong murdered well over 420,000 people and had 69 of his advisors executed by hanging from their balls. Zedong was known for being a Kid Buu fan, something only a truly evil person could be, and even worse, his lean was actually just Zquil mixed with mountain dew. 0/10, worst leader ever.
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:11 pm
by The Lone Alliance » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:49 pm
by Drongonia » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:44 pm
Moscareinas wrote:No, you're just as bad as he is, if for an entirely different reason: you keep that fucking prick in power, the better so he can inflict even more damage, even more suffering, even more chaos, so people you govern benefit. Selfish shit.
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by Moscareinas » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:00 pm
Drongonia wrote:Moscareinas wrote:No, you're just as bad as he is, if for an entirely different reason: you keep that fucking prick in power, the better so he can inflict even more damage, even more suffering, even more chaos, so people you govern benefit. Selfish shit.
Alright, so in your mind people dying now is okay because "fuck Trump", and it increases the likelihood he'd be voted out of office? Absolutely disgraceful and I think you should be ashamed of yourself.
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:06 am
Moscareinas wrote:SNIP
by Albrenia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:08 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:I have to wonder if the Hurricane Maria Puerto Rico relief aid scandal is what helped convince him the stupid idea?
What does Trump really think that the Democratic governors would willingly take the aid, hide it, then let their own people die simply to fuck him over?
by Che Triumphant » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:11 am
Purpelia wrote:Honestly Trump is right in this case. He has limited resources at his disposal and thus needs to allocate them where he knows they will be used well. And the best proof they will be used well is for the people in charge of using them to show deference to his administration and in doing so demonstrate that they will in fact use them in ways he instructs. Him self in turn being presumably instructed by experts.
So yes, the only sane and sensible thing to do in such a position is to call Trump up and say: "Thank you for sending the money. Until this crisis is over we shall suspend partisan politics and work together." And frankly that is what the man wants. Not groveling.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:12 am
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:27 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the US ends up with a worse outbreak than China I think the blame is going to end up squarely with Trump rather than governors.
That said, working life generally involves more massaging the egos of managers than it should.
by Moscareinas » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:30 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:You want to try to overthrow the US government in a midst of a viral crisis, and you actually think the general population would side with you simply out of hatred of Trump?
by Moscareinas » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:31 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the US ends up with a worse outbreak than China I think the blame is going to end up squarely with Trump rather than governors.
That said, working life generally involves more massaging the egos of managers than it should.
It's called playing the game.
by Grenartia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:34 am
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:38 am
Moscareinas wrote:The Lone Alliance wrote:You want to try to overthrow the US government in a midst of a viral crisis, and you actually think the general population would side with you simply out of hatred of Trump?
Either this authoritarian quote-unquote hypothetical leader plays you all like a fiddle till you burn out, or you remove him and organize relief yourselves. He certainly isn't gonna help you unless you give him his fucking headpats, and who knows if that help really is help?
This is not just my hatred of the worst people to be leader playing out, this is averting catastrophe.
by Grenartia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:42 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:Moscareinas wrote:
Either this authoritarian quote-unquote hypothetical leader plays you all like a fiddle till you burn out, or you remove him and organize relief yourselves. He certainly isn't gonna help you unless you give him his fucking headpats, and who knows if that help really is help?
This is not just my hatred of the worst people to be leader playing out, this is averting catastrophe.
You really think such a leader wouldn't likely destroy all the relief supplies as their last spiteful effort?
They'll make it so that even if you win you lose.
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:46 am
Grenartia wrote:Unless he physically does it himself, then the people carrying out those orders are ordinary people who will be fucked over just as much as anyone else, and they can and should be persuaded to refuse to comply with the order, and refuse to allow someone else to do it.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:50 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the US ends up with a worse outbreak than China I think the blame is going to end up squarely with Trump rather than governors.
That said, working life generally involves more massaging the egos of managers than it should.
It's called playing the game.
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:56 am
by Grenartia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:59 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:Grenartia wrote:Unless he physically does it himself, then the people carrying out those orders are ordinary people who will be fucked over just as much as anyone else, and they can and should be persuaded to refuse to comply with the order, and refuse to allow someone else to do it.
And most Authoritarians will have enough yesmen who would carry out such an order.
Also see my extended post.
The Lone Alliance wrote:The leader has all the leverage right now, you can't even offer up an actual useful threat of revolt due to the fact that the very army of the people you seek to use against the leader are stricken with disease.
No you take the supplies, you play along, you convince the leader that everyone is loyal to him, and then when the crisis passes the leader will foolishly see themselves as the hero, the victor, that they used the crisis to successfully silence all opposition.
And that's when you strike.
For you see in the aftermath of the crisis the leader will be exhausted, emotionally, mentally, and materially, that's when you have the leverage, for you see the leader will want to return to normalcy, and for that people have the leverage.
by Zapato » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:31 am
Moscareinas wrote:So, this is a thread. Very well.
So let us analyze the choices the OP has left for us, using me as the man in the middle, yes?
First, the headpats por favor: not acceptable. Not only will I not be able to pull off such groveling before the fucking worst humanity has to offer, that rat-assed bastard will stay on and do the worst he can for as long as he can. Prolong the suffering towards others for your fucking benefit? Fuck that shit. Fuuuuuuuuuck that shiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Last, truth to power! Attractive, but not enough -- all you'll be doing then is to grandstand, to make this about you and that abysmal asshole, not the millions who need your help and who you want to help -- and that nutcase who gave up his own humanity for more power, for more suffering, for more of every negative value! So fuck that shit even more so, for it is a selfìsh act wrapped up in a mantle of magnanimity -- a passable political act in less batshit times, but not with a demon in human form at the helm, so really, fucccccccccccck that sheeeeeeeeeeeettttttt.
So we have two choices, discredited for their selfishness. So what more do we have?
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