by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:50 pm
by Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 pm
Freakoland wrote:So, since we're all locked up in our houses I'm sure many of you have had more time for intellectual pursuits.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 pm
by Neanderthaland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:54 pm
by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:56 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Freakoland wrote:So, since we're all locked up in our houses I'm sure many of you have had more time for intellectual pursuits.
I've been drinking all week and got a a couple pre-rolls left before I'm out of weed, so you're wrong.
As for the question, I don't think society needs religion but people do need something to believe in. I just wish they could believe in themselves.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:56 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not inherently but religion in its various forms be it Christian, Hindu, Muslim, pagan etc etc does provide a sense of community and belonging that thus far at least purely secular things have failed to match.
by The Right Hand of the King » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:58 pm
by Region of Dwipantara » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:59 pm
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Region of Dwipantara » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:03 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not inherently but religion in its various forms be it Christian, Hindu, Muslim, pagan etc etc does provide a sense of community and belonging that thus far at least purely secular things have failed to match.
The power of the immaterial is greatly beyond the power of the material.
Simply put, faith is stronger than mere ideals. This isn't always a bad thing but also isn't always a good thing. It simply is.
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Lower Nubia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:04 pm
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by Albrenia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:07 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:07 pm
by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:08 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Here's my opinion:
1. The Czech republic is a nice and peaceful central European country with good healthcare, high standard of living, and an irreligiousity rate of 72%. Meanwhile, Afghanistan is a totalitarian fundamentalist sh*thole country with quack infrastructure and subsistence-level income. I'm not saying that all religion is bad for society per se, some quite the opposite in fact, but I do say that religion isn't really an important factor.
2. The problem with most religion is that, being a dictatorial commandment from the sky that we must obey or else, they can't evaluate the result of their existence and correct them (or at least efficiently). Humans need principles, sure, but we also need a way to evaluate if those principles makes the world a better place or instead drag ourselves to the 6th century.
by Region of Dwipantara » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:11 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:It depends, if the spiritual is real, it is a necessity. If the spiritual is not real, it is not a necessity.
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Sadakoyama » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:12 pm
The Right Hand of the King wrote:Well, because I am Catholic, I am obviously biased. With that being said, religion is needed for a society to function because that's where we get morals from. From our morals, come our laws.
by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:12 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Religion is not a necessity for society, no. Societies can exist without religion. But then again, religion does not exist with societies in mind. The purpose of religion is to appeal to the soul of the individual. Whether this ultimately benefits the greater community is irrelevant; if even only one soul has been touched, then the religion has accomplished it's goal. From one can come many, and not necessarily through society. Rather it may be society attempting to strike out against it, but I digress.
Ultimately there is nothing mortal, nor finite, nor material for which religion is a necessity. It isn't about this world, but the next one. Now, with that in mind, is religion a necessity for an individual? That is a question dependent entirely on one's own, personal views of religion - whether in general or in reference to one specific religion in particular. Given my own religious views, I'm inclined to say: "Yes."
But that's just my opinion.
by Lower Nubia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:15 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:It depends, if the spiritual is real, it is a necessity. If the spiritual is not real, it is not a necessity.
Good point, actually. If it is proven that there lies a giant homophobic super-Being above the seventh heaven, we better be realistic about our prospects and ditch our current morality to conform with whatever He has dictated. I mean, we stand no chance.
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by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:15 pm
Sadakoyama wrote:The Right Hand of the King wrote:Well, because I am Catholic, I am obviously biased. With that being said, religion is needed for a society to function because that's where we get morals from. From our morals, come our laws.
Religions or the religious are not necessarily moral; I won't insult you with the obvious recent example but there a plethora of occasions of immorality in the history of religion, and plenty of religions with contradictory morals. The Aztecs, for example.
"Morality" itself is a subjective thing, different across cultures, times, and circumstance.
Laws have bugger-all to do with morality as well; some of the worst injustices have been done in the name of legislating "morality"
by Sadakoyama » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:16 pm
Freakoland wrote:What I think would be interesting is to compare different societies which have tried to eradicate religion versus those which were basically theocratic.
Say Communist Russia vs. Imperial Russia.
by Alvecia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pm
by Sadakoyama » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pm
Freakoland wrote:I'm intrigued by what you said about the Aztecs and contradictory morals? Would you care to enlighten me?
by Lower Nubia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:20 pm
Alvecia wrote:Personally I don't think so. That which religion provides can be provided through other means.
That said, even without it, people are gonna believe in some stupid shit. Just look at the paranormal, alien consipracies, or pseudoscientific bullshit.
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by Alvecia » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:21 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:Alvecia wrote:Personally I don't think so. That which religion provides can be provided through other means.
That said, even without it, people are gonna believe in some stupid shit. Just look at the paranormal, alien consipracies, or pseudoscientific bullshit.
Is that contempt I sense?
by Freakoland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:21 pm
Sadakoyama wrote:Freakoland wrote:What I think would be interesting is to compare different societies which have tried to eradicate religion versus those which were basically theocratic.
Say Communist Russia vs. Imperial Russia.
But what about Russia after Stalin, say under Khrushchev or Gorbachev? I think worship of Stalin was no different than any other megalomania seen in say Hitler's Germany or present-day North Korea. But are these cults of personality really "religious"? I don't think so because they don't qualify to be religious in the sense that they lack the spiritual aspect of religion. Now, if you see religion as not specifically spiritual then that would be interesting for another discussion, but in regards to worship of Stalin replacing worship of God I would challenge you on that supposition.
Communist Russia rather quickly replaced worhip of god with worship of Stalin, though. It would be better to look at cultures evolving out of religion, such as Scandanavia.
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