by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:30 am
by Earthbound Immortal Squad » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:36 am
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:40 am
Earthbound Immortal Squad wrote:This sounds far more like a rant than an analysis. Not sure if this is against the rules of slandering a player or not. My advice is stay out of the epic card market until you are either a much richer player or be extremely selective as players like Fris have 100's of bids and if you move on a small scale you are more likely to get what you want. Fris is playing by the rules and as much as I'm not a fan of their strategy you must respect it and not write things like this about it on a public forum.
by Fauzjhia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:44 am
by The Strangers Club » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:53 am
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:54 am
Fauzjhia wrote:But I can't say I disagree with the post.
Barometria points are fair and exact.
When I played with 7 cards buy, frisbeetia was always present to take advantages of people who would sell my cards bellow my prices. he would easily put bid of 3, 5 since he know I would buy the cards at 15.
Edit : I avoid selling cards to frisbeetia as much as I can, for I know he does not have much love for the cards, for him its just business. So if there's only frisbeeteria on a epic, I just junk it.
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:59 am
The Strangers Club wrote:Yeah, Fris can be pretty scummy at times. One time I was bidding for a card that I wanted and accidentally bid too much and Fris couldn't even give me my bank back even though he has littlerly billions of bank.
by Racoda » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:40 pm
Barometria wrote:I offered to match his offer of .55 on the card that he had zero of if he would, in exchange, sell me the card that he had eleven copies of also for .55. The answer was, "No," because he said it wasn't a good enough sale price for him on the card that he would be selling me.
Barometria wrote:I had a card that I had ONE of that he had zero of with a market value of .60. Frisbeeteria had a bid out of .55.
Barometria wrote:We should be so lucky that he, as far as I know, is not in a position to apply that degree of cutthroat tactics to the entire world...we'd all be screwed.
Barometria wrote:That's why I used the word, "Cutthroat," his devotion to profit above all else is like nothing I've ever seen!
Barometria wrote:Frisbeeteria, while operating fully within the rules of the game and engaging in trade practices that are fairly transparent and fully allowed, is the single greatest menace in the entire Epic card market. He plays a virtually perfect game and dominates the market almost completely, much to the detriment of the enjoyment of other participants. The enjoyment of other participants is completely immaterial to him. That's not an insult, simply a fact. The reason that the enjoyment of other players is immaterial to him is because his goals are twofold:
A.) Collect as many EPIC cards as possible.
AND:
B.) Amass as much bank as possible.
(...)
We should be so lucky that he, as far as I know, is not in a position to apply that degree of cutthroat tactics to the entire world...we'd all be screwed.
by Dr Neela Rasgotra » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:40 pm
by Santheres » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:51 pm
The Strangers Club wrote:Yeah, Fris can be pretty scummy at times. One time I was bidding for a card that I wanted and accidentally bid too much and Fris couldn't even give me my bank back even though he has littlerly billions of bank. :oops:
by Tarockanien » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:55 pm
Barometria wrote:We should be so lucky that he, as far as I know, is not in a position to apply that degree of cutthroat tactics to the entire world...we'd all be screwed.
by Catsfern » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:58 pm
by Bruxxa » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:01 pm
Zomoponin wrote:But he is a mod, and the mods are good, so
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:11 pm
Dr Neela Rasgotra wrote:Maybe he got enough of people, and by this way he can be a good moderator, since he can decide objectively on specific matters (without emotions - which i think can be good).
Once i saw a post about mad PM's from Frisbeeteria towards another player, it was interesting. (I just searched for this to explain my first sentence above: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=467220&hilit=frisbeeteria)
But I think this thing is only a problem if you want to CONTROL the epic market as well, since he wont pay more than .55 for an epic.
So, if you just want an epic (and not mass epics for business reasons) then you can just bid .6, and it'll be yours; you just have to be patient until someone sells it for you.
by Ard al Islam » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:22 pm
Zomoponin wrote:But he is a mod, and the mods are good, so
by VicktoriaDiamond » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:27 pm
Barometria wrote:Dr Neela Rasgotra wrote:Maybe he got enough of people, and by this way he can be a good moderator, since he can decide objectively on specific matters (without emotions - which i think can be good).
Once i saw a post about mad PM's from Frisbeeteria towards another player, it was interesting. (I just searched for this to explain my first sentence above: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=467220&hilit=frisbeeteria)
As far as the post you linked, my counter would be Frisbeeteria controls both sides of the market, so who the hell is he to question someone else's tactics? That's laughable. Most of his bids are also AT JUNK VALUE, which is barely an improvement.
And look, that's all just because it is generally accepted as bad practice to bid less than junk value anyway. If we can use the, "There's no rule that actually says..." defense in Frisbeeteria's favor, which I do, then that same rule applies to anyone else. Anything less is hypocritical. If the game did not mean for a player to be able to bid less than Junk Value, then the game could simply make such not possible.
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:32 pm
We've got this perfectly adequate Bid / Ask system that works for people who can't be bothered reading the forums. Give it a try.
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:38 pm
VicktoriaDiamond wrote:That post from Frisbeeteria is 1 year old, maybe Dr. Rasgotra is right, and Frisbeeteria is just got enough of people, and does not care anymore.^
It happens a lot of times amongst people who are in contact with customers every day.
I think the best strategy is to bid .75
+.25 is not that much if you want them epics and it will make Frisbeeteria thinking about buying it off for 0.76 (knocking you off), or just lower her price to .75
Edit:
Or she just wants to make a bigger bank for future investments (maybe into her own card[s]), but she does not have enormous puppet fleet for card farming.
by VicktoriaDiamond » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:44 pm
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:48 pm
VicktoriaDiamond wrote:I think you just got fixated on her excessively^
I don't hink it is a big deal, especially on the card you just linked:
" https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... _history=1 "
On its trades history you can see; anyone can get that epic for not even much price!
I think you should just let this feeling go, and concentrate on some themed collections for example. There are a lot of dimensions how one can enjoy the trading card game! ❤
by Frisbeeteria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:20 pm
VicktoriaDiamond wrote:I think you just got fixated on her excessively^
Barometria wrote:***That Frisbeeteria did not dispense with this advice (how to see the list of owners) is of exactly zero surprise.
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:45 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Beg pardon? I'm somehow expected to point out an entirely visible button on the assumption that people playing the game can't see the button? I'm astonished that you find this astonishing. I play the game. I have no obligation or interest in holding other peoples' hands and walking them through the obvious stuff.
by Barometria » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:This whole thread is vastly amusing. My "strategy" can be easily defeated. All you have to do is pay more for cards than I'm willing to pay, and/or sell for less than I'm asking.
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