by MNIC » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:46 am
by Inyourfaceistan » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:50 am
by Christian Confederation » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:52 am
Inyourfaceistan wrote:I mean Fascism and 3rd-Position ideologies are garbage...
But better dead than Red!
The commies can have my private property over my dead body and all the pinkos I take down with me!
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:21 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by The Gilded Star » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 am
by MNIC » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:50 am
Inyourfaceistan wrote:I mean Fascism and 3rd-Position ideologies are garbage...
But better dead than Red!
The commies can have my private property over my dead body and all the pinkos I take down with me!
by Twins of Hearts » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:10 am
by Xoriet » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:27 am
by Laeden » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:28 am
by Inyourfaceistan » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:39 am
The Gilded Star wrote:Better dead than red is kind of a funny saying in this case because both communism and fascism tend to implement red in their motifs.
by Tim-Opolis » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:52 am
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by The Gilded Star » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:52 am
Xoriet wrote:I was technically going to stay out of the thread but since a certain someone saw fit to bring me up: I don't care if you want to roleplay WWII Germany. It does however draw in actual Nazis and fascists by default and then you have a region full of actual adherents of hateful ideologies. The issue isn't as cut and dry as anyone with a fascist tag means auto-Nazi to me. We de-tag regions that are clearly tag collectors or just have a theme with roleplay. We raid the actual adherents of fascism and Nazism. Very different.
Laeden wrote:In the end, I like to think that an advanced democracy is not that which outlaws fascism or hunts it down, but rather, is the one that people have enough education and political awareness to realize that totalitarian regimes are against their best interests, and obviously morally wrong.
by Twins of Hearts » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:02 am
Tim-Opolis wrote:I view defending a fascist region to be relatively equivalent to cooperating with them.
There's a reason Defenders don't raise a finger in defense of those types, and typically are involved in the invasion and destruction of those regions oftentimes.
The Gilded Star wrote:Xoriet wrote:I was technically going to stay out of the thread but since a certain someone saw fit to bring me up: I don't care if you want to roleplay WWII Germany. It does however draw in actual Nazis and fascists by default and then you have a region full of actual adherents of hateful ideologies. The issue isn't as cut and dry as anyone with a fascist tag means auto-Nazi to me. We de-tag regions that are clearly tag collectors or just have a theme with roleplay. We raid the actual adherents of fascism and Nazism. Very different.
Also worth noting there's a lot of fascists that hide behind "it's just roleplay bro" while actively advocating for real-life antisemitism, racism, and so forth. I think there's a noticeable line between people just RPing WWII Germany and having a hard OOC stance against that kind of rhetoric, versus people claiming they're only RPing WWII Germany but turning a blind eye to all the RL rhetoric and preaching that goes on in their OOC channels.Laeden wrote:In the end, I like to think that an advanced democracy is not that which outlaws fascism or hunts it down, but rather, is the one that people have enough education and political awareness to realize that totalitarian regimes are against their best interests, and obviously morally wrong.
Invite a wolf to a sheep pen and explain to him how wrong it is to kill sheep, and he's still going to kill and eat them simply because that's in the best interest of the wolf. Sometimes that's just the way things are and you can either choose to keep the wolf out or let him eat you.
But yeah, I guess to a degree, if people choose to embrace fascism and destroy democracy, that's their democratic choice to make. I don't think you can blame the people who would die under fascism regimes for not being okay with that, though.
by Eternal Cesken » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:04 am
by The Church of Satan » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:08 am
by Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:13 am
by 2nd Imperial German Reich » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:18 am
by The Church of Satan » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:22 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Defending fascists is not the same as defending fascism. Some people think it is okay to inflict violence on someone simply because they have been identified as "fascist". Most of the time, the identification as a fascist is incorrect, and that's how innocent people get her.
2nd Imperial German Reich wrote:This is a tricky question for me.
While we can all agree that fascism = hate and that fascism is an abhorrent totalitarian ideology, I do believe that fascists should maintain their right to freedom of speech. I do, however, also believe that we should heavily discourage association with known fascist groups and such.
Ironically, fascists need freedom of speech to remove freedom of speech. However, a fascist is still a human. And as such, they are entitled to the same rights that we are, no matter how heinous their opinions and ideology.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:24 am
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:25 am
The Church of Satan wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:Defending fascists is not the same as defending fascism. Some people think it is okay to inflict violence on someone simply because they have been identified as "fascist". Most of the time, the identification as a fascist is incorrect, and that's how innocent people get her.
And if that fascist believes, for example, that PB&J is a great dinner food then I will defend his right to say it even if I'd rather have a burger.2nd Imperial German Reich wrote:This is a tricky question for me.
While we can all agree that fascism = hate and that fascism is an abhorrent totalitarian ideology, I do believe that fascists should maintain their right to freedom of speech. I do, however, also believe that we should heavily discourage association with known fascist groups and such.
Ironically, fascists need freedom of speech to remove freedom of speech. However, a fascist is still a human. And as such, they are entitled to the same rights that we are, no matter how heinous their opinions and ideology.
See, that's my issue with freedom. There is such a thing as too much freedom. There needs to be a limit. Spreading hateful ideologies would be crossing such a line in the sand. Don't misunderstand, I love freedom. However spreading hateful ideologies is, in my honest opinion, an abuse of the very freedom that allows it to happen.
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by Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:26 am
The Church of Satan wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:Defending fascists is not the same as defending fascism. Some people think it is okay to inflict violence on someone simply because they have been identified as "fascist". Most of the time, the identification as a fascist is incorrect, and that's how innocent people get her.
And if that fascist believes, for example, that PB&J is a great dinner food then I will defend his right to say it even if I'd rather have a burger.
by Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:26 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:And if that fascist believes, for example, that PB&J is a great dinner food then I will defend his right to say it even if I'd rather have a burger.
See, that's my issue with freedom. There is such a thing as too much freedom. There needs to be a limit. Spreading hateful ideologies would be crossing such a line in the sand. Don't misunderstand, I love freedom. However spreading hateful ideologies is, in my honest opinion, an abuse of the very freedom that allows it to happen.
But that said, physical violence and hating on the person instead of the idea is the wrong way to stop the spread of hateful ideologies.
by Rainbowsix » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:27 am
by Che Triumphant » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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