New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Orostan]

Is starting in China possible or practical?

Both actually. Your nearest neighbor is in Malaysia. We've had authors land there before, but no one has ever persisted. You would be far enough from Europe and the Near East so as not to be stomped by any established Civ's and you would have a practically unlimited amount of resources. China is a fantastic option!

Excellent. I think I’m going to write an application for a start there.

Great Leap Forward here we come.

[Plzen]

If you would like to see your Author there, please, Tg me details of how they should look and what their vibe should be. The artist is just asking for details.

It’s probably better to have all of them standing in a crowd than have separate panels for each.

Clara... hmm... can we see this artist’s portfolio so we know what style we’re commissioning for?

Also, Joohan, wiki? If you can’t get to it let me know so I can put it up.

[Joohan]

Not gonna lie... i'm kind of digging the mass portrait idea. Every author getting their own little panel to show off their civ's flair. I like it a lot.

If you would like to see your Author there, please, Tg me details of how they should look and what their vibe should be. The artist is just asking for details.

What’s the scope of said panel?

Not sure - but I doubt that we will have all 21 current authors on there. Only the interested and established ones.

You want propaganda, you gotta earn your place noobs

[Joohan]

If you would like to see your Author there, please, Tg me details of how they should look and what their vibe should be. The artist is just asking for details.

It’s probably better to have all of them standing in a crowd than have separate panels for each.

Clara... hmm... can we see this artist’s portfolio so we know what style we’re commissioning for?

Also, Joohan, wiki? If you can’t get to it let me know so I can put it up.

https://www.fiverr.com/onesketchman/mak ... nline=true

yes yes, wiki coming

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Right I'm making my first author disappear and diaspora the Krakens. Probably skulking around in Tunis and Cyprus assuming he disappeared right before the timeskip.

[G-Tech Corporation]

So the profits of industry, in an agrarian society, largely limited to the core regions because Viktor has so far proved reluctant to send key technologies out of his direct control.

Industry, agriculture, horse-breeding, trade... all literal moneyspinners. How many bushels of winter wheat do you think a Neolithic farmer will trade for an iron scythe to replace his flint hand-axe? A miner in the Ore Mountains for an adze to replace his hand tools? A goodwife for spun linens to take the place of tattered furs stitched together with great labor?

The only technologies directly held by the state against proliferation beyond those regions where they can be easily monitored are, at present, those of military importance; the manufacture of steel, of incendiaries, of reciprocating crossbows, of boilers. Anything else? Sure, though Viktor obviously doesn't go out of his way to disseminate commercially advantageous technologies to the ends of the earth. Mara and central Czechia are no doubt literally swimming in raw resources from anywhere that can send them in exchange for the products of manufacture.

Supplemented with tariffs on commerce... again, in an agrarian society. And who pays these tariffs? The impoverished masses of your less developed outer provinces, who won’t exactly be creating a vibrant market for consumer goods? Again, that boils down to the wealth of your core region - and since merchants need to make a vibrant profit to stay in the business, those tariffs can’t be too high either.

Oh certainly the merchants - and those tariffs are, as you note, usually quite nominal. They're meant to pay for the maintenance of port infrastructure and roads that the merchants use, more than anything, but of course on more heavily trafficked thoroughfares those tariffs scale nicely compared to those expenditures.

All of that aside - you forget the most expensive part of arming any pseudo-medieval military; their equipment. House Nemtsov has no reason not to sell arms and armor and weapons to the state essentially at cost, the Hegemon and its chief executive being the same man, and with the prodigious industries available to said House, that cost is rather attenuated.

[The Orson Empire]

Hey Plzen, is it legal to institute a tax in Sweden? As the new Chief Parliamentarian of Sweden, I was trying to think of ways to raise money for the Republic.

[Ralnis]

Hmm, is it bad that Sumeria only taxes sales and other tariffs instead of normal taxes?

[Plzen]

Hey Plzen, is it legal to institute a tax in Sweden? As the new Chief Parliamentarian of Sweden, I was trying to think of ways to raise money for the Republic.

What is not explicitly forbidden by the Commonwealth, is permitted for its constituent Republics.

The Commonwealth does not hold any law against taxation, so if you can find the necessary political influence to get what is likely to be a rather unpopular reform across, that is entirely legal.

Then, of course, you need to educate large numbers of people before you have enough of a Civil Service to effectively collect any sort of tax.

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In summary, the fiscal advantage the Imperial State derives from having such extensive hinterlands outside of your core regions is because the products of these regions can be bought with the industrial productivity of your core region.

Is there any particular reason, then, why this is made more efficient by the political dominion the Imperium holds over these outlying provinces? Both the Commonwealth and Hibernia have been quite serious about developing craftsmanship and commerce, even if, due to the particular talents of your author, we are behind on metal refining. Why do you not consider it similarly possible, then, that the Commonwealth can drain the Netherlands and the Slavic lands or the Hibernians drain France of their surplus resources? Trade, after all, need not follow political borders.

Before at least the early modern era, manpower has never been an issue for a military seeking to expand - expense was. If it can somehow find the food and armaments to feed and equip them, nothing except politics stops even Hibernia from putting an army of four or five thousands on the field - after all, their militia is probably at least that large already. Let alone Icedonia or the Commonwealth. Does the Imperium have such a vast industrial and commercial advantage in such a wide array of different fields over its neighbouring states that it can afford to field a military incomparably large?

I find this rather difficult to believe.

[Joohan]

Hey Plzen, is it legal to institute a tax in Sweden? As the new Chief Parliamentarian of Sweden, I was trying to think of ways to raise money for the Republic.

What is not explicitly forbidden by the Commonwealth, is permitted for its constituent Republics.

The Commonwealth does not hold any law against taxation, so if you can find the necessary political influence to get what is likely to be a rather unpopular reform across, that is entirely legal.

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-snip-

In summary, the fiscal advantage the Imperial State derives from having such extensive hinterlands outside of your core regions is because the products of these regions can be bought with the industrial productivity of your core region.

Is there any particular reason, then, why this is made more efficient by the political dominion the Imperium holds over these outlying provinces? Both the Commonwealth and Hibernia have been quite serious about developing craftsmanship and commerce, even if, due to the particular talents of your author, we are behind on metal refining. Why do you not consider it similarly possible, then, that the Commonwealth can drain the Netherlands and the Slavic lands or the Hibernians drain France of their surplus resources? Trade, after all, need not follow political borders.

Before at least the early modern era, manpower has never been an issue for a military seeking to expand - expense was. If it can somehow find the food and armaments to feed and equip them, nothing except politics stops even Hibernia from putting an army of four or five thousands on the field - after all, their militia is probably at least that large already. Let alone Icedonia or the Commonwealth. Does the Imperium have such a vast industrial and commercial advantage in such a wide array of different fields over its neighbouring states that it can afford to field a military incomparably large?

I find this rather difficult to believe.

... Honestly it's more about specialization than anything. You can have all the land and people in the world, but if you don't have enough specialists - you can't do anything.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, is it bad that Sumeria only taxes sales and other tariffs instead of normal taxes?

Well, sales taxes are notoriously hard to enforce.

the Commonwealth ... been quite serious about developing craftsmanship and commerce

Riddle me this then - what goods of manufacture does the Commonwealth export? Iron tools and weapons, aye, but those only relatively recently, and only those manufactured from the iron bogs of Scandinavia, to my knowledge, markedly limited and difficult to extract compared to traditionally iron ores. The only other goods I'm aware of that Clara introduced were, hrm, paper?

[Orostan]

Author Applicaiton
Name: Aaron Dawson
Age: 25
Height and Weight: 5’ 9”
Skin, hair, and eye description: White Caucasian, light brown hair. Green eyes.
( Optional ) Picture:

N/A

Prior Profession: Engineer
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Bachelors degree in Metallurgical Engineering, Columbia university.
Physique description: Relatively lean and not athletic.
Useful skills: Interest in geography and history. Engineering skills also mean he knows how various metals are refined and how they can be used. Some knowledge of chemistry due to his engineering field.

National Origin: Eastern United States
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Riding the train back from work after a job interview.
Description of personality: Cautious and unwilling to take large risks. Very strong ideas on how society ought to be run.
Where in the world are you landing?: Luoyang, China

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ):

Aaron was born in Massachusetts and currently lives in New York City since he graduated from university three years ago. Being born in 1994 Aaron became a more regular user of the internet as he got older, and partially because of that decided to go into higher education in a STEM field. Using the internet also helped him expand his knowledge of geography and history as well as formulate his own views on how the world should work. A year after finishing his education Aaron is having difficulty finding a job in an over saturated job market.


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Make a Chinese civilization based on a confederation of large cities and metal working.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Enlightenment philosophers and Marx.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: It’s isolated and extremely resource rich.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Ancient China mixed with a modern knowledge of metalworking and chemistry. I don’t intend to start building cannons a year into the game, but I do want to create a civilization based around metalworking.

What are your character's motivations?: He sees this as a chance to avoid mistakes humanity made in his time and as a new purpose for himself.

Theme Song?: Can’t think of one right now.

What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: I haven’t participated in the RP yet, so I can’t say.

[Joohan]

Author Applicaiton
Name: Aaron Dawson
Age: 25
Height and Weight: 5’ 9”
Skin, hair, and eye description: White Caucasian, light brown hair. Green eyes.
( Optional ) Picture:

N/A

Prior Profession: Engineer
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Bachelors degree in Metallurgical Engineering, Columbia university.
Physique description: Relatively lean and not athletic.
Useful skills: Interest in geography and history. Engineering skills also mean he knows how various metals are refined and how they can be used. Some knowledge of chemistry due to his engineering field.

National Origin: Eastern United States
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Riding the train back from work after a job interview.
Description of personality: Cautious and unwilling to take large risks. Very strong ideas on how society ought to be run.
Where in the world are you landing?: Luoyang, China

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ):

Aaron was born in Massachusetts and currently lives in New York City since he graduated from university three years ago. Being born in 1994 Aaron became a more regular user of the internet as he got older, and partially because of that decided to go into higher education in a STEM field. Using the internet also helped him expand his knowledge of geography and history as well as formulate his own views on how the world should work. A year after finishing his education Aaron is having difficulty finding a job in an over saturated job market.


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Make a Chinese civilization based on a confederation of large cities and metal working.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Enlightenment philosophers and Marx.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: It’s isolated and extremely resource rich.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Ancient China mixed with a modern knowledge of metalworking and chemistry. I don’t intend to start building cannons a year into the game, but I do want to create a civilization based around metalworking.

What are your character's motivations?: He sees this as a chance to avoid mistakes humanity made in his time and as a new purpose for himself.

Theme Song?: Can’t think of one right now.

What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: I haven’t participated in the RP yet, so I can’t say.

I like it, and I hope you break the Chinese curse.

Accepted. You might wanna check out Reatra btw...

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

bookmarked

[Orostan]

Author Applicaiton
Name: Aaron Dawson
Age: 25
Height and Weight: 5’ 9”
Skin, hair, and eye description: White Caucasian, light brown hair. Green eyes.
( Optional ) Picture:

N/A

Prior Profession: Engineer
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Bachelors degree in Metallurgical Engineering, Columbia university.
Physique description: Relatively lean and not athletic.
Useful skills: Interest in geography and history. Engineering skills also mean he knows how various metals are refined and how they can be used. Some knowledge of chemistry due to his engineering field.

National Origin: Eastern United States
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Riding the train back from work after a job interview.
Description of personality: Cautious and unwilling to take large risks. Very strong ideas on how society ought to be run.
Where in the world are you landing?: Luoyang, China

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ):

Aaron was born in Massachusetts and currently lives in New York City since he graduated from university three years ago. Being born in 1994 Aaron became a more regular user of the internet as he got older, and partially because of that decided to go into higher education in a STEM field. Using the internet also helped him expand his knowledge of geography and history as well as formulate his own views on how the world should work. A year after finishing his education Aaron is having difficulty finding a job in an over saturated job market.


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Make a Chinese civilization based on a confederation of large cities and metal working.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Enlightenment philosophers and Marx.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: It’s isolated and extremely resource rich.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Ancient China mixed with a modern knowledge of metalworking and chemistry. I don’t intend to start building cannons a year into the game, but I do want to create a civilization based around metalworking.

What are your character's motivations?: He sees this as a chance to avoid mistakes humanity made in his time and as a new purpose for himself.

Theme Song?: Can’t think of one right now.

What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: I haven’t participated in the RP yet, so I can’t say.

I like it, and I hope you break the Chinese curse.

Accepted. You might wanna check out Reatra btw...

Thank you!

Who or what is Reatra?

[Plzen]

Riddle me this then - what goods of manufacture does the Commonwealth export? Iron tools and weapons, aye, but those only relatively recently, and only those manufactured from the iron bogs of Scandinavia, to my knowledge, markedly limited and difficult to extract compared to traditionally iron ores. The only other goods I'm aware of that Clara introduced were, hrm, paper?

First, before anything else, a general observation that if you expect me to dedicate an IC section to each new industry that starts up in the Commonwealth you’re expecting me to do more writing than I am actually willing to. I already have things like our relationship with the Sami tribes of the north and the development of our Baltic client states lined up to be written.

If you expect me to stick to things I’ve already mentioned, though...

In terms of manufactured goods, paper, ships, and armaments were mentioned at one point or another either in the IC or OOC - the latter of which we probably have a monopoly on in the region, given the Imperium’s reluctance to sell those. Considering the pressing need for defence of all primitive polities, armaments alone can probably let the Commonwealth drain its immediate environs quite effectively.

In terms of domestically-produced natural resources, iron - in addition to bog iron there are some conventional deposits in both Sweden and Norway accessible with pre-industrial technology - copper, amber, wood tar, all brought up IC or OOC at one point or another. Copper practically funded Sweden’s wars in the mid- and late-17th Centuries. Our production is a lot lower in comparison, with our limited workforce, but then so are our expenses.

[Joohan]

I like it, and I hope you break the Chinese curse.

Accepted. You might wanna check out Reatra btw...

Thank you!

Who or what is Reatra?

California's Resident Maoist

[Alaroma]

This all in mind, I need to invent Jazz and Theatre, and I know which is more viable.

[Orostan]

Thank you!

Who or what is Reatra?

California's Resident Maoist

Excellent. And they're right across the sea. Once I get big enough to build steel hulled ships, I might be able to go there.

[Pyrghium]

Author Applicaiton
Name: Aaron Dawson
Age: 25
Height and Weight: 5’ 9”
Skin, hair, and eye description: White Caucasian, light brown hair. Green eyes.
( Optional ) Picture:

N/A

Prior Profession: Engineer
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Bachelors degree in Metallurgical Engineering, Columbia university.
Physique description: Relatively lean and not athletic.
Useful skills: Interest in geography and history. Engineering skills also mean he knows how various metals are refined and how they can be used. Some knowledge of chemistry due to his engineering field.

National Origin: Eastern United States
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Riding the train back from work after a job interview.
Description of personality: Cautious and unwilling to take large risks. Very strong ideas on how society ought to be run.
Where in the world are you landing?: Luoyang, China

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ):

Aaron was born in Massachusetts and currently lives in New York City since he graduated from university three years ago. Being born in 1994 Aaron became a more regular user of the internet as he got older, and partially because of that decided to go into higher education in a STEM field. Using the internet also helped him expand his knowledge of geography and history as well as formulate his own views on how the world should work. A year after finishing his education Aaron is having difficulty finding a job in an over saturated job market.


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Make a Chinese civilization based on a confederation of large cities and metal working.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Enlightenment philosophers and Marx.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: It’s isolated and extremely resource rich.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Ancient China mixed with a modern knowledge of metalworking and chemistry. I don’t intend to start building cannons a year into the game, but I do want to create a civilization based around metalworking.

What are your character's motivations?: He sees this as a chance to avoid mistakes humanity made in his time and as a new purpose for himself.

Theme Song?: Can’t think of one right now.

What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: I haven’t participated in the RP yet, so I can’t say.

I like it, and I hope you break the Chinese curse.

“May you live in interesting times”

[Alaroma]

Thinking about it, we should designate an artist, and have him responsible for compiling the art for this world, and making it.

Edit: Am I the only one who’s ordered art, yet? I’ve actually ordered some more, this time from a friend.

[Ralnis]

Thinking about it, we should designate an artist, and have him responsible for compiling the art for this world, and making it.

Edit: Am I the only one who’s ordered art, yet? I’ve actually ordered some more, this time from a friend.

I'm still trying to figure out what to ask for art. Maybe a drawing of Ur?

[Alaroma]

Thinking about it, we should designate an artist, and have him responsible for compiling the art for this world, and making it.

Edit: Am I the only one who’s ordered art, yet? I’ve actually ordered some more, this time from a friend.

I'm still trying to figure out what to ask for art. Maybe a drawing of Ur?

A drawing of Axum would be wildly simple tbh.

[Cainesland]

Hmm, is it bad that Sumeria only taxes sales and other tariffs instead of normal taxes?

It seems fine. Before WWI tariffs was a large way of making money for the state. Customs duties being especially valuable if you have large quantities of a small variety of goods such as salt being imported.

[Joohan]

Thinking about it, we should designate an artist, and have him responsible for compiling the art for this world, and making it.

Edit: Am I the only one who’s ordered art, yet? I’ve actually ordered some more, this time from a friend.

I'm still trying to figure out what to ask for art. Maybe a drawing of Ur?

God father and Daughter riding horses round some fields,