New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Alaroma]

Lmao it’s all the European authors staring at each other, hands hovering over their swords, while the Near east authors are just having a good time, hugging each other. Sato is Just in the distance, looking at everyone with disdain.

I just imagine Luther putting his hands onto the kid version of Andrew and glaring at Victor like, " Stay away from me and my son! "

Kid me, lordy.

Ngl I want someone to make a little drawing of Axum, but I haven’t really found someone yet.

[Plzen]

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Considering Joohan’s involvement in this scheme, I’m disinclined to take him as a neutral party, and even if that was not true didn’t you already agree to Saxony-Brandenburg as arbitrator for the war?

[Bortslovakia]

Patrick became a hero and made peace between the tribes of Ireland.

Victor is into yoga

Accurate. Nestos is probably going to become a popular tourist destination down the road with all its eccentricities.

[G-Tech Corporation]

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Considering Joohan’s involvement in this scheme, I’m disinclined to take him as a neutral party, and even if that was not true didn’t you already agree to Saxony-Brandenburg as arbitrator for the war?

Oh aye. For the war, certainly. Formalizing ideas about reasonable force levels won't hurt in the long run though.

[Joohan]

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I'll get around to this later, then, I suppose, since you don't intend to respond.

Do you two need arbitration to settle the matter?

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Though I do certainly have my own opinions on that matter, it appears that Plzn doesn't want me to moderate over the matter, and that you've already selected Saxony for that task.

If you two do find that you need my arbitration though, I am open.

Speaking of which, you had I have not settled the matter of Havenport yet.

[Joohan]

Patrick became a hero and made peace between the tribes of Ireland.

Victor is into yoga

Accurate. Nestos is probably going to become a popular tourist destination down the road with all its eccentricities.

Think we can get the collab done tonight? I'm actually super excited to post it

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

So...could I ask how exactly this'll work? Once we land in the past, how would one go about creating their own civilisation?

Any specific mechanics and etc? Tips and tricks?

Read the first few pages of the IC.

Thus far, the typical route has been adoption by a village, and then the slow ( stretch this out for taste and story development ) rise through social ranks until we reach a position were in we exercise direct control and influence over a polity. From there, our will just naturally starts taking the shape of a civilization.

Viktor become a judge for his city after about two years.

Luther became a predatory merchant lording interests over city states after about five years.

Andrew become a great general married a princess of Aksum after about five years.

Clara convinced the danish tribes to poole resources after about four years.

Issac became a general and couped his village after nine years.

Patrick became a hero and made peace between the tribes of Ireland.

Victor is into yoga

Soto invented communism

We all have different ways of getting there.

Edit: Could you maybe tell me what you intend on creating? I could tell you about what some people did to get there.

As in nation wise? I'm still on the ropes about that

I suppose a sort of Roman Empire inspired system, with a Supreme Leader at its head with a large amount of power, but also a Senate below it that people can aspire to join which would help manage the civilisation

I'm also on the ropes of basing myself either in Italy or Spain

[G-Tech Corporation]

Though I do certainly have my own opinions on that matter, it appears that Plzn doesn't want me to moderate over the matter, and that you've already selected Saxony for that task.

If you two do find that you need my arbitration though, I am open.

Speaking of which, you had I have not settled the matter of Havenport yet.

Well, we should probably agree, at least between us, what standard we agree on - I think you think similarly to me, and we should put something together for the RP in general.

[Plzen]

Oh aye. For the war, certainly. Formalizing ideas about reasonable force levels won't hurt in the long run though.

The Commonwealth fields 8% of its population, of which half is a standing force, and if you’re justifying your expansion by not burdening people outside of your core region, 8% of Czechoslovakia is 5,000... 8,000, say, taking into account population growth.

Didn’t you have minimum 3,000 during the Holsten War?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Also bloody hell, how long did it take for you chaps to start building such empires?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh aye. For the war, certainly. Formalizing ideas about reasonable force levels won't hurt in the long run though.

The Commonwealth fields 8% of its population, of which half is a standing force, and if you’re justifying your expansion by not burdening people outside of your core region, 8% of Czechoslovakia is 5,000... 8,000, say, taking into account population growth.

^ There's the difference. The Imperium happily accepts any citizens of subject polities as recruits into the Guard - not being the conscripting type.

[Plzen]

Also bloody hell, how long did it take for you chaps to start building such empires?

20 (25, after the timeskip) years, and they’re really more empires in the sense of Carolingian Empire than Ancient Egypt. The Commonwealth still doesn’t have a coherent tax scheme, Sumer is propped up by its trade, Hibernia’s king is in constant political war against the local nobility...

Joohan’s Icedonia, maybe, might count as something similar to an ancient Near East empire.

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^ There's the difference. The Imperium happily accepts any citizens of subject polities as recruits into the Guard - not being the conscripting type.

And these recruits are then fed, equipped, and trained on the coffers of whatever subject polity they come from? As opposed to burdening the Imperium’s own economic resources, which are mostly drawn from that Czechoslovak population I just mentioned?

[Alaroma]

Guys, any comments on Aksum’s political development?

[G-Tech Corporation]

And these recruits are then fed, equipped, and trained on the coffers of whatever subject polity they come from? As opposed to burdening the Imperium’s own economic resources, which are mostly drawn from that Czechoslovak population I just mentioned?

Not in the least - those are what the taxes on industry and trade tariffs are for, largely drawn from the vast wealth House Nemtsov has accumulated producing, yknow, most sophisticated economic goods in central Europe. From paper, to timber, to bronze, to tools, to leather, to ships, to textiles (glorious glorious textiles) and so on - if it came from Viktor's mind and methods, House Nemtsov usually has a large stake in it, if not a virtual monopoly. Most of the taxes within the Imperium itself are really just Viktor moving his private fortune into the state's public fortune, and establishing good principles for long term economic growth.

It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that one of the main reasons Viktor remains at the head of the Imperium's political structure is because her militaries march on stomaches filled by his enterprises. He started out as a guard captain who funded a half dozen militiamen to patrol a city's trade routes by arming them at his own expense (and sweat) and getting the local nobles to pay a nominal fee for their services, and his position as Hegemon has essentially just been a massive scaling up of that role.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Also bloody hell, how long did it take for you chaps to start building such empires?

20 (25, after the timeskip) years, and they’re really more empires in the sense of Carolingian Empire than Ancient Egypt. The Commonwealth still doesn’t have a coherent tax scheme, Sumer is propped up by its trade, Hibernia’s king is in constant political war against the local nobility...

Joohan’s Icedonia, maybe, might count as something similar to an ancient Near East empire.

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^ There's the difference. The Imperium happily accepts any citizens of subject polities as recruits into the Guard - not being the conscripting type.

And these recruits are then fed, equipped, and trained on the coffers of whatever subject polity they come from? As opposed to burdening the Imperium’s own economic resources, which are mostly drawn from that Czechoslovak population I just mentioned?

Right, if I ever join this then I’m gonna need some serious guiding and monitoring

[Joohan]

I still need ideas for that art piece...

Please, let the ideas fly. Go into detail! This guy is pretty good.

[Joohan]

20 (25, after the timeskip) years, and they’re really more empires in the sense of Carolingian Empire than Ancient Egypt. The Commonwealth still doesn’t have a coherent tax scheme, Sumer is propped up by its trade, Hibernia’s king is in constant political war against the local nobility...

Joohan’s Icedonia, maybe, might count as something similar to an ancient Near East empire.

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And these recruits are then fed, equipped, and trained on the coffers of whatever subject polity they come from? As opposed to burdening the Imperium’s own economic resources, which are mostly drawn from that Czechoslovak population I just mentioned?

Right, if I ever join this then I’m gonna need some serious guiding and monitoring

Right so, in terms of an autocratic Roman Empire like civ, i would suggest Reading both My and G-Tech's posts.

Icedonia is the lawful Evil civ of this RP, essentially. A highly organized state, a large and effecient bureaucracy, the most disciplined military in the world, a burgeoning xenophobic nationalist philosophy, and an infamously genocidal take on war. It's inspirations are chiefly Imperial Japan and the Soviet Union

The Imperium of Man is the Lawful Neutral of this RP, essentially. A somewhat more decentralized state, the most advanced industry in the world, a large volunteer army, a belief in the divine mandate of Viktor's rule, and the most rapid growth of any civ in game. Inspirations chiefly, The Imperium of Man 40k, the HRE.

[Plzen]

Guys, any comments on Aksum’s political development?

Shatter the crowns!

Although, as the sad cautionary tales of violent revolutions in our own RL history teaches us, revolutions are always best conducted from within the government... so maybe marrying into the royal family and becoming pub buddies with the king’s son (and, I assume, heir) with the idea of eventually forcing a republican government is maybe not such a bad way to go about it.

In a completely unrelated note, I’ve typed enough into this RP that my autocorrect tries to automatically capitalise “republic” now... it learns... Skynet’s Judgement Day is coming soon.

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Most of the taxes within the Imperium itself are really just Viktor moving his private fortune into the state's public fortune, and establishing good principles for long term economic growth.

So the profits of industry, in an agrarian society, largely limited to the core regions because Viktor has so far proved reluctant to send key technologies out of his direct control.

Supplemented with tariffs on commerce... again, in an agrarian society. And who pays these tariffs? The impoverished masses of your less developed outer provinces, who won’t exactly be creating a vibrant market for consumer goods? Again, that boils down to the wealth of your core region - and since merchants need to make a vibrant profit to stay in the business, those tariffs can’t be too high either.

Seems to still boil down to the wealth of your core regions.

[Alaroma]

I still need ideas for that art piece...

Please, let the ideas fly. Go into detail! This guy is pretty good.

The Imperial Razing of a Commonwealth settlement.

Summarian soldiers in Aksumite (((Roman))) style dragging off Uruk’s defeated leaders.

An Sumerian Merchant being escorted Aksumite soldiers into the gates of Axum.

A warband of Berbers planning a raid.

An Icedonian man followed by his 3 wives, and 12 children in the market place.

[Joohan]

Not gonna lie... i'm kind of digging the mass portrait idea. Every author getting their own little panel to show off their civ's flair. I like it a lot.

If you would like to see your Author there, please, Tg me details of how they should look and what their vibe should be. The artist is just asking for details.

[Joohan]

I still need ideas for that art piece...

Please, let the ideas fly. Go into detail! This guy is pretty good.

The Imperial Razing of a Commonwealth settlement.

Summarian soldiers in Aksumite (((Roman))) style dragging off Uruk’s defeated leaders.

An Sumerian Merchant being escorted Aksumite soldiers into the gates of Axum.

A warband of Berbers planning a raid.

An Icedonian man followed by his 3 wives, and 12 children in the market place.

Virtue Based...

[Orostan]

Is starting in China possible or practical?

[Alaroma]

Guys, any comments on Aksum’s political development?

Shatter the crowns!

Although, as the sad cautionary tales of violent revolutions in our own RL history teaches us, revolutions are always best conducted from within the government... so maybe marrying into the royal family and becoming pub buddies with the king’s son (and, I assume, heir) with the idea of eventually forcing a republican government is maybe not such a bad way to go about it.

In a completely unrelated note, I’ve typed enough into this RP that my autocorrect tries to automatically capitalise “republic” now... it learns... Skynet’s Judgement Day is coming soon.

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Most of the taxes within the Imperium itself are really just Viktor moving his private fortune into the state's public fortune, and establishing good principles for long term economic growth.

So the profits of industry, in an agrarian society, largely limited to the core regions because Viktor has so far proved reluctant to send key technologies out of his direct control.

Supplemented with tariffs on commerce... again, in an agrarian society. And who pays these tariffs? The impoverished masses of your less developed outer provinces, who won’t exactly be creating a vibrant market for consumer goods? Again, that boils down to the wealth of your core region - and since merchants need to make a vibrant profit to stay in the business, those tariffs can’t be too high either.

Seems to still boil down to the wealth of your core regions.

Well, less Pub Buddies (though that will probably take more of a form later perhaps) and more like an older brother and mentor. Andrew and the Crown Prince are like, 12 years apart. Considering Andrew converted the Prince to Christianity, to say he has influence would be an understatement. Rn Andrew isn’t going with the direct goal of forming a Republic, but he is taking Republican ideas, and he’ll gradually be pushed to full Republic.

[Joohan]

Is starting in China possible or practical?

Both actually. Your nearest neighbor is in Malaysia. We've had authors land there before, but no one has ever persisted. You would be far enough from Europe and the Near East so as not to be stomped by any established Civ's and you would have a practically unlimited amount of resources. China is a fantastic option!

[Alaroma]

Not gonna lie... i'm kind of digging the mass portrait idea. Every author getting their own little panel to show off their civ's flair. I like it a lot.

If you would like to see your Author there, please, Tg me details of how they should look and what their vibe should be. The artist is just asking for details.

What’s the scope of said panel?