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Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:29 am

Ostsee Empire wrote:That's not entirely surprising. I mean, the fact that historians don't argue "they were just very good friends" like they do for actual LGBT people in history IRL is, but the existence of gays and/or others in the military isn't. Armies typically have a "don't show, don't tell" policy about these things.


The Religious League War ended much differently in this timeline than it did in real life. For one thing, modern Europe has a lot more Protestants than it does Catholics.
Apart from Wallonia and Flanders, all of Europe north of Main and east of the Rhine is Lutheran, while the territories west of the Rhine (and north of France) are Calvinist. Hungary (in its pre 1919 borders) is majority Protestant and Bohemia-Moravia is almost completely Hussite. Austria itself, outside of Vienna, is also Lutheran, though it is ruled by a Catholic Habsburg Emperor from the catholic Vienna. Terra Mariana itself has almost no Catholics outside of its small Polish minority, and is neatly divided between Lutherans and Calvinists.

That demographic difference makes sense since the war ended.
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:58 am

Ostsee Empire wrote:The Religious League War ended much differently in this timeline than it did in real life. For one thing, modern Europe has a lot more Protestants than it does Catholics.
Apart from Wallonia and Flanders, all of Europe north of Main and east of the Rhine is Lutheran, while the territories west of the Rhine (and north of France) are Calvinist. Hungary (in its pre 1919 borders) is majority Protestant and Bohemia-Moravia is almost completely Hussite. Austria itself, outside of Vienna, is also Lutheran, though it is ruled by a Catholic Habsburg Emperor from the catholic Vienna. Terra Mariana itself has almost no Catholics outside of its small Polish minority, and is neatly divided between Lutherans and Calvinists.

It all goes to show that sometimes, even the smallest or irrelevant of factors can change things. Okay, I actually won't say irrelevant since the demographics are important. It's just that it's something that you did not expect to have such an impact on a war. Still, I'm glad that the war ended early and was shorter in your nation, so that is something to look forward to.

I wonder, does Islam or other religions also play a part? Or is this all involving the Christian sects, if that's the right word for it? It would be interesting to see if other religions are involved, or taking a backseat...

AN: I'm not sure if making someone to be a maid is a right idea, but.... Ah well, I will give it that it's better than lashing or anything like that. Still, 1.5 years of being a maid for petty theft? I think that's a little harsh.

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For what it's worth, Valentijn could "shrink" back in another body that was made for him. That was so that he can transfer his consciousness whenever he wants to be smaller again. That would put his original body in an unconscious state, unable to be used until Valentijn comes back again. The body is also very, very safeguarded in case someone decided to steal it to wreak havoc.

Valentijn remarks that when he went back to being normal, he missed the arcade games, as well as the technology that most people enjoys. On the other hand, he states that he still loves his body for what it is, even if the body is 117-meters tall and has a chance of demolishing a building if his swings his back around a little too much.
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Postby Earth Orbit » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:58 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Ostsee Empire wrote:The Religious League War ended much differently in this timeline than it did in real life. For one thing, modern Europe has a lot more Protestants than it does Catholics.
Apart from Wallonia and Flanders, all of Europe north of Main and east of the Rhine is Lutheran, while the territories west of the Rhine (and north of France) are Calvinist. Hungary (in its pre 1919 borders) is majority Protestant and Bohemia-Moravia is almost completely Hussite. Austria itself, outside of Vienna, is also Lutheran, though it is ruled by a Catholic Habsburg Emperor from the catholic Vienna. Terra Mariana itself has almost no Catholics outside of its small Polish minority, and is neatly divided between Lutherans and Calvinists.

It all goes to show that sometimes, even the smallest or irrelevant of factors can change things. Okay, I actually won't say irrelevant since the demographics are important. It's just that it's something that you did not expect to have such an impact on a war. Still, I'm glad that the war ended early and was shorter in your nation, so that is something to look forward to.

I wonder, does Islam or other religions also play a part? Or is this all involving the Christian sects, if that's the right word for it? It would be interesting to see if other religions are involved, or taking a backseat...

AN: I'm not sure if making someone to be a maid is a right idea, but.... Ah well, I will give it that it's better than lashing or anything like that. Still, 1.5 years of being a maid for petty theft? I think that's a little harsh.

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For what it's worth, Valentijn could "shrink" back in another body that was made for him. That was so that he can transfer his consciousness whenever he wants to be smaller again. That would put his original body in an unconscious state, unable to be used until Valentijn comes back again. The body is also very, very safeguarded in case someone decided to steal it to wreak havoc.

Valentijn remarks that when he went back to being normal, he missed the arcade games, as well as the technology that most people enjoys. On the other hand, he states that he still loves his body for what it is, even if the body is 117-meters tall and has a chance of demolishing a building if his swings his back around a little too much.


That's quite the "gotcha!" at the end there. Is the smaller body a robot of some sort, or is it biological? And how does he interact with the rest of society at all when he's 117 meters tall? At bare minimum, there must be some restrictions on where he can and cannot go to prevent accidental damage. I assume that was the original purpose of the smaller body - to allow Valentijn to interact on normal terms with others and the world.

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Postby Borgevia » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:23 pm

That's interesting, and quite efficient if you ask me. As a sucker for architectural curiosities, I'd like to visualise what that world might look like.


Borgovia didn't apologise to Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Finland, and Hungary for its cruelty during World War II until 2013 when Angela Merkel made a statement about 'reparations being overdue'. While Borgovia did apologise, they did nothing else. What is known IRL as Falkland Islands was a private island by a Corpus Member who used POWs of the Axis except Romanian, Italian, Thai, and Japanese, to build a city that also acts as a trading port. The conditions were horrible despite them being paid for their labour which is mere pennies. A POW would have an early barcode tattooed on them with an ID to keep track of their "Temporary Employees" and would work an equivalent of 18 hours a day 7 days a week building the planned city. The pay is so low many would have to 'sell' their blood to hospitals, enough money to feed a family of 4 for 2 months if they sell their organs, bones, etc. But that results in lower productivity and thus risk being severely punished.

Younger POWs with 'catamite features' are cross-dressed and sodomised in brothels because they can't get pregnant and thus more "marketable". Some women POWs who do get pregnant are usually sent to labs for medical experiments and anatomical research to advance medical knowledge. They'd experiment if it's possible to condition an infant a certain way before they're born or to better understand how a woman's anatomy works during various stages. Medicine is also experimented on several POWs as a means to scare them into working harder to avoid that fate. They'd be working 18 hours with nonstop propaganda telling them that the Corpus member who owned the island used to be poor, but now he's a Corpus Member because he "Worked hard" and so, if those POWs want a better life, then they should "Work harder". Babies who are born during the war, either because an Axis nurse was raped or two POWs fell in love, are often taken away and adopted by a Borgovian family as part of their assimilation project "Vitas Aureum" (Golden Life), papers forged and identity erased for a fake Latino one. They'd also throw POWs into labs to experiment biowarfare weapons like how long can a Nazi or Hungarian last if they're well fed, athletic, and mentally sane once they breathe in small doses of Sarin? Is it possible to perform plastic surgery to completely altar a person's appearance and race for infiltration missions? Low performing "employees" are punished by a Repo Squad that takes apart their limbs, organs, and such for hospital use or research, often leaving them immobile and starving to death unless someone is willing to take care of them despite already struggling to eat merely 1000 calories daily. It's a form of psychological conditioning for prisoners of war.

Angela Merkel and later Janos Ader of Hungary, once commented that the city of Fortuna, which was built on these people's miseries, makes them sick to their stomach no matter how beautiful and vibrant it is post-war. Japanese, Thai, Romanian, and Italian POWs as well as Spanish Falangist volunteers are spared this treatment and are imprisoned in dormitory-like complexes.
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:22 am

Opinion: Well, from one side they were fighters for axis powers, and the axis powers committed loads of atrocities (In fact, the scale of them is still hard for some people to grasp even today, judging from the ''Clean Wehrmacht'' myth), but from other side those are some disgusting experiments as well. Kind of interesting, that it was the Romanians and Spanish who got spared from this kind of treatment, but not Finns or Bulgarians. I assume, that there is other IC reason for that, maybe with them being involved in genocide more deeply than otl.




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Postby Coryanhafflaruda » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:29 am

Colonization is really interesting doesn't it?





500,000 years before Coryana,there was an intergalactic empire namely called the Hallacoryan,they are pure humans and are the ancestors of Coryans,They conquered their entire galaxy and started a full-on war against primitives,one 'primitives' they found was a planet called Ravenia-3,a underground species dwell there,once the Imperium found out about this,they got to war over them.

5 bloody years passed and the war was still raging,the natives population started declining at an alarming rate all thanks mostly to a parasitic disease which infected the planet on the battlefield,the Imperium made a truce with the Planet and started quarantining but it was too late,the galaxy had fallen under the parasite thanks to a extremely dense population,at one last shot,the remaining ship fired down the escape pods at a planet called Titanuma.
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Postby -Astoria » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:40 am

So, something similar to the treatment of native Americans up to the 20th century?


In the state of Hristhau, many of the main roads appear to make a sort of ring road around the capital, Ceirtryn. It is currently unknown as to why that is so, though some have speculated that many settlements sprung up, radiating from the city centre.

A map of the roads can be found below:

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Postby Saranidia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:55 am

-Astoria wrote:So, something similar to the treatment of native Americans up to the 20th century?


In the state of Hristhau, many of the main roads appear to make a sort of ring road around the capital, Ceirtryn. It is currently unknown as to why that is so, though some have speculated that many settlements sprung up, radiating from the city centre.

A map of the roads can be found below:

https://prnt.sc/qvzskv


Interesting.
So the “suburban” settlements were then connected to the the city.

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Postby Tsukitai » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:08 am

Wow, sounds like a university. Takes longer but I'm sure the resulting officers will be much more skilled


The Moon Rabbit population was actually a second grade slave population from all the way from the Feudal Era to 1911, where the Rabbits were finally granted near-full independence. However, due to the social system, a "pet" rabbit is still a slave that can be traded, sold or gifted, but mistreatment is extremely illegal in Tsukitai.

It is also part of Lunar Tradition to gift one such pet to every diplomatically allied nation's leader.
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Postby Greater Cosmicium » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:40 am

Tsukitai wrote:Wow, sounds like a university. Takes longer but I'm sure the resulting officers will be much more skilled


The Moon Rabbit population was actually a second grade slave population from all the way from the Feudal Era to 1911, where the Rabbits were finally granted near-full independence. However, due to the social system, a "pet" rabbit is still a slave that can be traded, sold or gifted, but mistreatment is extremely illegal in Tsukitai.

It is also part of Lunar Tradition to gift one such pet to every diplomatically allied nation's leader.


Rabbits are cute (not that anyone would disagree), and gifting them is even more so.

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Postby Alfbading Levant » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 am

Holy shit, the war's attrition phase has been ongoing for 50,000 years? That's more years than there's been human civilization in general. And that's only, what, 0.5% of the entirety of the war in question? Then again, I guess you guys are a space empire. I wonder how you even count "Years". Like, how would we define a standard year in a sovereign state encompassing multiple star systems?


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Postby Borgevia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:13 am

This is why monarchies are pathetic. It's just a bunch of hyper rich kids causing nothing but drama that only hurts the innocent who want nothing to do with petty squabbles.


Borgovia's obsession with reviving the Roman legacy went to the point they made up things in the name of Rome like "Roman Honour" which is similar to the Confucian "Five Constants"; sociologists may point to the Confucian Five Constants as to why Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese migrants are treated with the same respect as Chinese immigrants despite not being descendants of Han China (the same way Spanish and French are descendants of Rome).

The Confucian Five Constants that many argued played a role to which Asian groups are "Civilised" or "Subhumans" are as follows:
1. Ren (仁) - Benevolence, kindness
2. Yi (义) - Sense of justice
3. Li (礼) - Following proper ritualistic practices
4. Zhi (智) - Valuing knowledge
5. Xin (信) - Honesty, integrity


The "Roman Honour" that the Borgovian government made-up and attributed to an ancient civilisation that never had anything to do with it are as follows:
1. "The heart is greater than blood" - Your loyalty to someone or something comes first because you have no control who your family is.
2. "Lift those who can't stand" - It is the duty of the able to help what they can when they can however they can. A great Roman society requires all citizens work together even if it means carrying heavy groceries for an old person.
3. "The blade shall not point at those unable" - It is dishonourable to strike someone who is unable to fight back or are pacifistic
4. "Hope gives us life, realism gives us strength" - Follow your dreams, but be realistic how you do it
5. "Death before dishonour" - It's better to commit suicide than cheat on your spouse, lie to friends, etc. That's why Borgovians are very picky about who they date/befriend because they always look in the long term. Borgovians can betray their friends if said friends became dishonourable (eg they beat an old woman and stole her car)
6. "The pursuit of knowledge wards evil" - Knowledge is power, anyone who holds anti-academic beliefs are a threat to society and will rot us from within.
*7. "There is no dishonour in noble pragmatism" - If your cause are noble, like protecting migrant children from ICE (see #2), you have freedom to do it however you can. You can lie, deceive, steal, or even bring out your inner sadist if it means protecting a child escaping an ICE Detention centre starving and begging for help.
8. "Artistic pursuits lead to a moral life" - Besides knowledge and loyalty, appreciation for "beauty" helps you maintain your moral character.


*Unfortunately, this code is also why Borgovia is infamous for its cruelty towards Axis POWs during WWII like rape, medical experiments, live dissection, public torture, etc. Politically, Borgovian leaders are known to have strong sense of integrity but will not rule out Machiavellianism (manipulation, deceit, financial coercion) if it means getting the US and China to vote for a UN Resolution to aggressively fight child hunger.
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Postby Palmyrion » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:01 am

Machiavelli would be very proud of this.

If you tell a random Palmyrian what a formal dress is, they would differ largely.

In Palmyrion, accepted attire in formal events range to indigenous styles of clothing (though the bahag has largely fallen out of favour), to the stereotypical Western suit and tie (brought to Palmyrion by the British and the Spanish), to kilts from 19th Century Scottish and Irish immigrants and kimonos from Japanese immigrants - and you'd be certain to see a smorgasbord of this in any formal event such as a high school/collegiate promenade or a conference of leaders. One should even expect to see tribespeople - people identifying as one of the many indigenous tribes in Palmyrion - wearing "modernised (or, more accurately, Westernised) casual" versions of their traditional tribal garb in both urban and rural areas, both inside and outside their ethnic enclaves.
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Postby Alfbading Levant » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:46 am

I can easily say that this is ridiculous. Native clothing should be discarded -at least in a formal setting- in favor of actual formal clothing (western suits).


While Alfred III of Wessex, King of England, entered the Great Crusade with noble goals, he -like every other crusader noble- changed his role the moment the Crusaders reached the Cilician Gates. Upon restoring Anatolia to Roman control, while every other crusader was attacking the Persian territory along the Fertile Crescent (in an effort that eventually solidified into the Kingdom of Levant), Alfred himself gathered most of his surviving men -and ships, let's not forget about ships- and marched for Cyprus to carve a new realm for his fourth daughter Æthelflæd who was both his favorite child and his only non-landed one. The Principality of Cyprus would reign as an independent realm until 1120 when Adelbrand's descendants finally defeated Æthelflæd's descendants in the Battle of Leukousia and forced Cyprus to become a vassal of the Levantine throne.
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Postby Palmyrion » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:07 am

Alfbading Levant wrote:I can easily say that this is ridiculous. Native clothing should be discarded -at least in a formal setting- in favor of actual formal clothing (western suits).


While Alfred III of Wessex, King of England, entered the Great Crusade with noble goals, he -like every other crusader noble- changed his role the moment the Crusaders reached the Cilician Gates. Upon restoring Anatolia to Roman control, while every other crusader was attacking the Persian territory along the Fertile Crescent (in an effort that eventually solidified into the Kingdom of Levant), Alfred himself gathered most of his surviving men -and ships, let's not forget about ships- and marched for Cyprus to carve a new realm for his fourth daughter Æthelflæd who was both his favorite child and his only non-landed one. The Principality of Cyprus would reign as an independent realm until 1120 when Adelbrand's descendants finally defeated Æthelflæd's descendants in the Battle of Leukousia and forced Cyprus to become a vassal of the Levantine throne.

Well, we've pretty much eschewed much of the nudity that is apparently seen in a whole lot of Palmyrian native dresses (see Filipino native dresses), so the average Palmyrian won't understand why you're so finicky about it. If you're a tribal leader and you want to showcase your tribe's finest wear as representation, then you have all the right to wear a "formalised" version of your tribal garb.

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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:19 am

Alfbading Levant wrote:I can easily say that this is ridiculous. Native clothing should be discarded -at least in a formal setting- in favor of actual formal clothing (western suits).


While Alfred III of Wessex, King of England, entered the Great Crusade with noble goals, he -like every other crusader noble- changed his role the moment the Crusaders reached the Cilician Gates. Upon restoring Anatolia to Roman control, while every other crusader was attacking the Persian territory along the Fertile Crescent (in an effort that eventually solidified into the Kingdom of Levant), Alfred himself gathered most of his surviving men -and ships, let's not forget about ships- and marched for Cyprus to carve a new realm for his fourth daughter Æthelflæd who was both his favorite child and his only non-landed one. The Principality of Cyprus would reign as an independent realm until 1120 when Adelbrand's descendants finally defeated Æthelflæd's descendants in the Battle of Leukousia and forced Cyprus to become a vassal of the Levantine throne.

Predictable.

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Postby Empyrius » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:42 am

Levant: I suppose he figured he did what he came for and left it at that to go on with his own pursuits - which, as you stated, is pretty much to be expected. It's quite fitting that a realm established by abandoning the other crusaders would eventually be taken over by the descendants of said crusaders, you could call it poetic justice.

Sharifistan: Understandable.

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Among the ranks of the Futurist ideologues who led Veskrona into the revolution that established its current government, the topic of Hylrin I, an ancient Veskronan king and emperor similar to Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great in our world, who has been elevated to almost god-like status in the public eye since his death around 800 years ago, has been a subject of significant debate. They were more or less divided into two camps, with both sides being ashamed that their country hadn't managed to come up with any other real national heroes for itself, but presenting very different approaches to deal with the matter in a way that would allow for it to move forward. This was seen as no small matter, given that he was extremely pervasive in the national culture and treated essentially as a watchful protector-diety.

The Rejection movement, often considered to be more "hard-line" Futurists, believed that the glorification of Emperor Hylrin had long since run its course and that the time frame in which it would have been constructive to the nation was long gone, advocating to erase these tendencies from the public mind and fill in the gap with Revolutionary figures. The Redemption movement, on the other hand, believed that the main problem was the way in which his glorification was being handled, not the glorification itself - they held that the Revolution was an act of channelling his true spirit, and that it would transform this tendency from slavish worship of a bygone era into constructive, forward-thinking nationalism. The Redemptionists won out in the end, with the new national leader, Commandant Shioris Valthar, being among them, and despite their hard-line nature, the Rejectionists were satisfied since the common goal of national rebirth was being achieved regardless.
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:18 am

Opinion:Khm, I know a thing or two about futurist manifesto or art, so it is pretty interesting to me. The rejectionists remind me of the more radical part of futurism in their manifesto (Doing away with the past, like destroying museums, and so on), while redemptionists are more similar to futurist poetry - pretty traditional in structure, with usage of terms and images being what makes it different. Either way, makes sense, as the futurists were quite nationalist IRL. I wouldn't be surprised, if they would consider war as a some sort of world hygiene.




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''(Another SC's AU, but this focuses on the collapse of SC instead. As SC's collapse is the most likely scenario, it is canon in all but name. ''Current'' year would be 2192) After the SC's collapse, smaller regions like Iceland were largely severed from supplies of bigger regions due of their turmoil, and they needed to find a new path on their own. New Icelandic Commonwealth had small population, from which most lived in its capital - Reykjavík. While rich with resources, it meant little if its access to technology and tools for producing new are lacking. For a while, Nationalist Iceland was on isolationist mode, and the former President-Governor of Iceland under SC even considered to set it as its primary policy, along with general suspicion of foreigners. However, in the end Iceland would go to war path instead, as Greater North (Greenland, Nunavut, and Northwest Territories) had even less of a population - 150 000 combined, if compared to Iceland's about 350 000. A victory would indeed boost the Iceland's President-Governor's popularity and morale, along with giving access to various valuable natural resources in Greenland, which were hard to access previously due of the harsh nature and rugged terrain. SC's Canadian and American companies had opened extraction mines and plants in the 30s, but it was estimated, that there were still a lot of resources untapped, and Greater North got pretty wealthy from it. And, in Greenland the Greater North's military situation was even worse - a couple hundred men on active service, along with militarized coast patrol. Even the Thule's base had got less advanced technology, as it had been ceded to Greater North's administration from Megastates time ago, although Americans still maintained presence there. While Iceland's army was stronger if compared to IRL, it was still minuscule on SC's Europe's background, with weak airforce and navy, and even the generic militarism didn't help (IRL, Iceland is one of the few NATO countries which doesn't have an army). Greater North had some more advanced planes, navy, and rifles in former Nunavut and Northwest Territories, but Iceland's commanders hoped, that numbers would do the job.''

''In order to use surprise element to its maximum, Iceland had split its attacking force in two squads - one was to land in the east, but other would later land in the south, and attack would begin only mere minutes after declaration of war. Also, mid-late spring was picked by Icelandic commanders as a perfect time for attack, as it would make it more difficult for Greater North's armies to transport soldiers and equipment to Greenland over the sea ice in Canadian Arctic from the far-away Iqaluit and Yellowknife, making them rely more on their navy and airforce. When landing at Tasiilaq, Icelandic troops met surprisingly little resistance,and after consolidating the area, they started to march further south, occupying the small fishermen communities and villages with 10 or a bit more inhabitants. The first attempts to put up an organized resistance to Icelandic troops were met in the island of Tingmiarmit, where a couple hundred of Inuit troops from south had arrived to face the Icelanders. The battle lasted for about 30 minutes, but at the end more than 50% of Inuit troops had fallen, or taken as Prisoners of War. About 50 managed to escape, but with the low morale they couldn't put up a considerable resistance anymore. Meanwhile, the southern army landed in Qaqortoq, and took it after a brief fight with the city's garrison, despite them having a few bunkers there. Then, they marched north, and met up with the eastern army group in early May. Now all of the southeast Greenland's coast was under Icelandic control. Their troops had also taken some of the more fertile land in the south, and had cut access to potatoes for Greenland's defenders - one of the few vegetables, which grew in more green parts of Greenland. Now, Greenland had to rely on its ancient hunting traditions, but most importantly - it had to tighten its belt.''

''Meanwhile, an another battle took place in the waters of Davis Strait, near the town of Arsuk. Most of the Greenland's local navy was in south, which meant, that it could be assembled to defend the southern waters from Icelandic fleet pretty quickly. However, there was one issue - most of Greenland's navy consisted from armed patrol vessels/boats, and it lacked helicopters, and other aircraft. Some of the patrol boats had small artillery cannons, but most were armed simply with machine guns. There were even recorded cases of couple of soldiers with sniper rifles or assault rifles, using kayaks to get closer to enemy ships. Iceland had 2 submarines in its navy as well, but they didn't saw much combat, as they were too few in numbers to affect the war. Greenland's southern fleet had a single frigate, but Iceland - 2. All of Greenland's patrol vessels and boats sank during the battle due of Icelandic artillery shells, and while Greenland's frigate managed to get away for a while, it had still been damaged, and Iceland's fleet kept following it insistently, eventually resulting in frigate's destruction in one of the southern Greenland's fjords (In the following months, Greenland's fleet in the north would be destroyed as well, due of Icelandic jet and bomber raids from eastern Greenland). Now Iceland's navy had free hands in the sea, and it could set sail towards Nuuk - the capital of Greenland. Icelandic army in south also started marching westwards as well, further occupying ground. However, Iceland's fleet had suffered casualties too - some of its own patrol vessels and boats had been sunken as well, and one of its frigates had received damage from Greenlandic artillery as well.''

''Further north, supplies were still incoming south from Qaanaaq (Thule), with convoys or planes resupplying in places like Ilulissat or Sisimiut, and those supply depots were viewed as threat by Icelandic military commanders. At first they tried to stop the supplies with helicopter and other plane attacks, but it proved to not be enough due of small amount of aircraft Iceland possessed in general, not even talking about the amount it had in Greenland. Then, the war reached its culmination, as one of the field marshals had a crazy plan - send one of the Iceland's regiments over the Greenland's ice cap to Ilulissat. It was deemed as ''completely insane'' by a lot of militarists, because a regiment consists from about 1,000 troops, and if the operation would fail, a large portion of Iceland's army would be gone. Nonetheless, after very hard debates the green light was given for the field marshal's operation. Army couldn't set up campfires during the travel not only for environmental, but also secrecy reasons - smoke could be noticed by the few low-height satellites weather or balloons. Despite summer being the warmest period, a lot of soldiers still got frostbite (Including the field marshal himself). Anyways, the regiment made it to Ilullisat in a surprisingly short amount of time, stopping only once at Summit camp in order to regroup, and attempt to find leftover supplies - it was a research station abandoned after SC's collapse (Its location was a bit difficult to find at first, as coordinates are variable due of movements of the ice). The Icelandic regiment took out the city's garrison by surprise, as they had anticipated merely air raids, and had their eyes at sky. After capturing the city, they spread out in local countryside, thus consolidating gains. Greater North's supply ships were forced to move further away from coast, and travel longer distances, as Ilullisat's port and aircraft landing sites were closed off by Icelandic troops. Sometimes, the Icelandic garrisons even hunted down lone supply ships by using the captured aircraft/navy and kayaks at Ilullisat. The Icelandic military's leadership would later congratulate the field marshal for the victory of ''his bald move''.''

''However, by June the speed of Icelandic army's advances slowed down, as Greenland's Inuit army had started to recover, and had recruited more than 1% of its population, the total amount of fielded manpower reaching 6000. Although most of these units were green, and Inuits still suffered more casualties, Icelanders also started to feel losses, and their army never reached Nuuk. However, the Icelandic fleet managed to set sail at the entrance of fjord, and tried to make it fall with shelling from 1 frigate (The damaged one was sent to Qaqortoq for repairs) and blockade attempts. Some patrol boats were armed with something similar to heavy EM249, which proved to be effective at plowing down those defenders of city, which had been careless enough. However, it was also louder than regular machine guns, so it gained the nickname ''rattler'' between the Nuuk's inhabitants. It was less effective against buildings, however, but Icelandic army's artillery shells on both boats and frigate were limited. Nuuk's defenders also had a few PMT American disappearing guns, which managed to sink down a few of the Nationalist Iceland's armored boats. (One of the most comical cases in the war took place in Northeast Greenland National Park. Although it was a protected area in Greenland both during and after SC's rule, and had no permanent population, a group of Icelander soldiers still landed on the shores of Franz Joseph Fjord with an electricity-powered boat, and planted their flag there. Icelandic soldiers had also captured the director of the park - Kingudlerk Bolsen, and forced him to sign the paper, where all of the park would be occupied by Nationalist Iceland. While it was colored as a part of Iceland during the war frontlines, no battles ever took place there during the conflict, most likely due of large parts of it being part of the Greenlandic ice cap, and the Icelander soldiers soon left. Kingudlerk later would become more of a collaborationist, and eventually was assassinated by Greater North's Intelligence agency. After that, it appointed a new director for the park, and it was colored back under Greater North's control on the map).''

''At July, the force parity in Greenland had started to even out - while Icelandic airforce initially had the upper hand in skies, eventually more jets and bombers arrived from northern Canada. It was still merely a small force, but it was enough to tip the balance. Generally air battles were dogfights between two planes, as the industrial capacity of both nations wasn't even enough for large air battles with hundreds of planes, but at Thule Military Base, about 7 Icelander fighters and an escort bomber faced 5 Canadian Inuit jets and a couple of air defenses down on the ground. The night was foggy, and visibility was low. Although both Iceland, and Greater North had inherited good planes, navy, and rifles from the period, when they received help from Canadian and British (Later Scandinavian for Iceland) armies, this time the Inuits triumphed - all of Iceland's jets and bomber were struck down in Thule, but Inuits lost merely two planes. This defeat was humiliating for Icelandic military, as they were no longer the unstoppable or ''superior'' force for Greater North. Around August, Icelandic fleet called off the siege of Nuuk - without military, the blockade wouldn't be complete, and Nuuk's residents constantly found ways around this - while most of the foreign products and vegetables had run out, there was still plenty of meat to adapt, and their millennias-old hunting traditions became vital in supplying the capital. Although airforce sent a few bombers to aid the navy, it clearly wasn't enough, and at the end, Icelandic navy had lost 6 of its armored patrol vessels. Next major blow would come further north - the combined Canadian, and Greenlandic Inuit armies retook Ilulissat, thus reuniting the cut-off western Greenland. Although Icelandic units were more experienced, they were still outnumbered, and supplies had started to run out, because they hadn't received new ones ever since they took Ilulissat and consolidated the neighboring area. Greater North's military as a whole had reached 13 500 men, more than 10% of its overall population. Iceland hadn't recruited more than 1% of its population yet, but now conscription centers were created, so Iceland's troops wouldn't get outnumbered.''

''By September, the front had largely stabilized, and last hopes of fast victory faded away for Iceland. The dynamic warfare with small unit regiments of a couple hundred at most had transformed in position warfare in southwest Greenland's mountains and valleys, and front line became static. Now there were thousands of soldiers concentrated in a single region on both sides, and some later described it as ''trench warfare without trenches''. Even the few tanks, which both sides had, weren't enough to break the stalemate, as they were less effective in Greenland's terrain. This situation soon prompted both sides to sat at peace talk table in Kangerlussuaq airport. War had became costly and a burden for both sides - for Iceland, it was the discontent in society about lack of progress in fronts, and increasing conscription rates. Its industry was also not able to replenish the lost patrol vessels, tanks, or jets fast enough, and with winter coming closer and closer, the sea ice would become thicker, which meant, that Greater North could possibly transport reinforcements through the thick sea ice, and prompt new victorious offensives for native Inuits. For Greater North, however, it was the risk of famine, if war would prolong in winter - without hunters who would stack food, or few farmers who grew some vegetables in greenhouses, the increased conscription would be pointless, as army would starve. Also, Greater North still had less population than Iceland, which meant, that Iceland could still afford to conscript a bigger army or expand its reserves. While Iceland's leader had wanted to initially take all of Greenland (Including the National Park, where he had plans to settle a small, permanent miner population for resource gathering, thus effectively taking away the status of ''protected area'' for the National Park, and transforming it merely in an another subdivision.), he was in no position to enforce these demands - while both sides had some position of strength, none had the power to force the other for unconditional talks. So, the diplomats of both nations went for a compromise - a solution, which wouldn't appease either of the sides.''

''While Greater North kept large portions of Greenland, some of its eastern parts were ceded to Iceland in form of ''Icelandic Occupation Government'', with Tasiilaq being as its capital and Headquarters for various Icelandic companies which extracted out the various natural resources - oil, gold, lead, and uranium, for an example. Of course, the labor was often performed by local Inuits, and conditions in resource extraction sites often were pretty terrible. While formally a part of Iceland, in practice it functioned in kind of an autonomous way, as long as its Commissar shipped the resources to Iceland. However, New Icelandic Commonwealth's territorial gain celebrations weren't for long - years later, when the National Republic of England had completed the unification of British Isles during the Great Patriotic War, and had stabilized a bit, it renewed its claims on Iceland, and sent a massive fleet of battleships and aircraft to prepare for invasion. Then, Iceland recalled almost all of its military from Icelandic Occupation Zone, and only a few garrisons were left alongside with police officers, coast guard, and armed Icelanders from mainland. Greater North started to prepare workers in Tasiilaq for a massive strike, and positioning troops on the parts of ice cap, which served as borders of the Occupation Government. When the strike erupted, at the beginning it was expected, that the local police and units would handle it, but the workers against all odds managed to take the city, and kill the first and only Commissar of the Occupation Government - Esja Deníelsdóttir. After hearing the news about this, various miners in resource extraction sites across the region started to strike too, paralyzing the Government's system. Greater North's troops used it, and came down from the ice cap, encircling and destroying many of the garrison and resource company guard units. (They had anticipated, that Greenlandic Inuit troops would attack from north or south, where land was free from ice cap) Greater North had pulled the same trick Iceland did years before - crossed the ice cap, and took the enemy out by surprise. Greater North dissolved the Icelandic Occupation Government afterwards, and integrated it back in Greenland, sending back all of the Icelandic factory guards, police officers, remaining soldiers, or the few settlers back to Iceland. Later, the National Republic of England would accuse Greater North of helping out Iceland in a covert way, as a lot of the repatriated Icelanders would later participate in battles of Reykjavik and Akureyri against British navy, airforce, and ground forces (Overall, the war was still short, and resulted in annexation, as conventional Iceland's army couldn't put up a big fight against English army. If anything, the Iceland's partisan warfare inflicted more attrition and losses to the British).''
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:45 am

With all due respect.... where the HELL do I start talking? I err... if there is anything I have read or learned from my read and re-read, is that I expected Iceland and Greenland to join their Navy and conquer the world, along with the other Scandinavian nations. And I see that Britain is British as one can get, being able to stop and deter their opposition with their massive army. And as with most of the wars and whatnot, I expected one country to accuse (and sometimes rightfully so) another country of helping the former's enemy.

To be extremely honest, this reads less like a fact, and more like a huge tome of knowledge that I sincerely think should be in a factbook. I don't mean any disrespect, and I honestly love the lore that go into it, but for this thread game, 2000+ words is way too much.

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The huge disparity between a Valentian's actual nationality and their appearance is explained and reasoned as the presence of synthetic bodies that the Valentians began to use en masse when it became safe and popular for the public to use, with little to no side effects; the only side effect documented so far is the disconnect and a degree of headache that persists for the first 2 hours after the transfer was done, but other than that, the Valentians and the other users describe it as "It's still you, except in a new and healthier body!"

Anyway, yes, this is the reasoning behind on why the Valentians have a difference in appearance with their ethnicity. That is also why an Asian-looking man is actually a native Icelandic man in the past, and on why a Polynesian / Maori woman is in a body that does not correlate with her culture. If they so desire, they can always go back to the appearance of their original bodies, of course.

And as a result, you can certainly start a second life, or relive again with a new body that is 99.999% similar to an organically-created body, with the added benefit of them being much more resistant and even immune to most illnesses (ranging from common flu to more deadlier plagues).

The first synthetic bodies are made in 2028. Extract from my tech factbook:
After years of meticulous search, the synthetic bodies, dubbed Project Vital, has been a success, with Foresittend Marcus spearheading the project. Started off in 2020 in the universities and labs of Vostrov, the idea is to retain human consciousness moments before death, and to transfer that consciousness into another body after death of the organic body. Given the nature of the subject, the citizens of Valentine Z do not have this forced on them and rather, they are allowed to live and die as they please and not be part Project Vital to extend their lifespan indefinitely.

Initially, robot parts and bodies are used in order to create these synthetic bodies, as prototypes. However, thanks to the advancements and further researches in the fields of Biology, Psychology, and to some extent, Humanities and Philosophies, a replica of the human bodies are available for production by the government facilities, promising 99.9% resemblance to an actual human body in terms of functions and chemical composition, and with an added bonus of being able to choose one’s body like they would in a video game.

The single most important difference, however, would be that these synthetic bodies have an artificial brain inside them, which has a 0.005% chance of disconnecting for a brief few seconds. Thankfully, it has not known to react with the body adversely, thanks to the non-reactive alloys and compounds used for the brain, as well as the artificial nature of the central nervous system.

How exactly this works is as follows: If the Valentian (amongst many other person) are to sign up for the project, they would be given a device at their home that would copy and backup their state of consciousness at a daily rate (or whatever rate that the citizens are content with), as well as a dead man’s switch that would be non-invasively implanted to the back of their head and their heart. While this process happens over the lifespan, the user can enjoy their normal routine of life without any interference, only with daily reminders (which they can turn off) to backup their consciousness into the mainframe. The idea of a consciousness has been a limiting factor for many years, but the Valentian scientists were able to correctly determine what makes consciousness happen, and they were able to active and deactive them as they please.

Each of the person’s consciousness was put into a temporary body in a medium-level Valentian government facility, which are deactivated until the organic body of the person fails them, i.e. heart attack, sudden death, destruction of brain, etc. This would cause the aforementioned dead man’s switch to be activated, which in turn would activate the consciousness of that particular person in the facility. From there, the person can choose the body of their liking and after half an hour of wait, they would then be transferred to the new synthetic body that guarantees 80 years of operation, with aging optional.

Given the nature of the project, the citizens are able to opt out at any time should they feel the need to go to the path of natural death, and the Valentian Government will gladly clear and erase any traces of the consciousness from the main servers. The servers are also protected with extra layer of protection in order to ensure that no one can temper with the consciousness of many.
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Postby The Empire of Occitania » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:15 am

That is certainly a very interesting concept, although a synthetic body like you have described seems like something that could be very easily abused. Are there any laws surrounding them, and what is to stop people from choosing or creating a synthetic body that is identical to that of another person? Disregarding questions of morality and ethics, that could pose a significant security threat.

Occitania uses a civil legal system, wherein law arises primarily from written statutes; judges are not to make law, but merely to interpret it (though the amount of judicial interpretation in certain areas makes it equivalent to case law in a common law system). Basic principles of the rule of law were laid in the Occitan Civil Code (which was, in turn, largely based on the imperial law codified under Penelòpa II). In agreement with the principles of the Declaration of Liberty, law should only prohibit actions detrimental to the individual rights of the citizen, wherein government intervention is to be kept to a minimum. Occitan law is divided into two principal areas: private law and public law. Private law includes, in particular, civil law and criminal law. Public law includes, in particular, administrative law and constitutional law. Criminal laws can only address the future and not the past (criminal ex post facto laws are prohibited). Occitania does not recognise religious law as a motivation for the enactment of prohibitions, or as a legal basis. Freedom of religion is constitutionally guaranteed by the Declaration of Liberty, which also led to the separation of the Church from the State and the establishment of Occitania as a secular state. Same-sex marriage and adoption for LGB couples have been legal in Occitania since the adoption of the Constitution. Unlike many other countries, laws criminalising homosexuality have never existed within Occitania, which many attribute to the influence of Catharism during the nation's formation and cultural renaissance. However, it should be noted that transgenderism and transexuality are - whilst not illegal - not legally recognised within Occitania. Trans rights groups often describe Occitan law as discriminatory towards transgender individuals, however, polling in Occitania has revealed that the overwhelming majority of the Occitan population strongly agree with the statements that "transgender and transsexual people uphold and reinforce outdated and sexist gender roles" and "trans women are not women, and trans men are not men", and are strongly in favour of the law remaining unchanged. Many have attributed this view to the fact that equality between men and women has existed for much longer in Occitania than it has in other states.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:15 am

I can see why Occitania would be culturally transphobic and reactionary. Can't understand it but I can easily see it. But honestly unless Napoleon beat you just as he beat the rest of Europe, I can't see why you'd employ a legal system as retarded as the Civil Law. Literally none of Europe enjoyed that stupid system until Napoleon colonized half of Europe.


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Postby Palmyrion » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:29 am

Quite a progressive state we have there mate.

AN: Ninja 'd me, eh? Quite a whole lot of cash these bootstrapped powers have, haha!

I'm a get this an LGBT related fact, this time a really grimdark one, a display as to how religion can kill.

In the Fascist Tripartition, the Christofalangists held the southern continental provinces as well as the island of Visayas, while the Wahhabists held the islands of Sultan Osmalik and Mindanao. The loyalist government fled to the Northern highlands, with Vigan being the capital city from 1935 to 1945.

Palmyrion was surprisingly for its time accepting of LGBT back then - and for this reason, the Christofalangists and the Wahhabists executed what would become Palmyrion's bloodiest genocide.

Jews, animists, pagans, Marshists (adherents of Palmyrion's oldest organised religion), Marshites (people with lineage from Holy Marsh), Romandeans and the LGBT community were targets of the genocide by both nations; they were concentrated into hard labour camps where they toiled without rest, recreation, and nourishment. Many were also killed outright through various means, such as the guillotine, the gallows, and the all infamous gas chamber.

The Tripartite Genocide, as it is known today, was estimated to have killed 20 million Jews, animists, pagans, Marshists, Marshites, Romandeans, and LGBT. The old concentration camps, now deserted, have since then been largely reclaimed by nature, with the largest - a complex rivaling Auschwitz in size - being the sole preserved concentration camp.

While nominal Christians and Muslims are largely apologetic for the genocide, fundamentalist sects - such as the Kogyokist Conclave of Palmyrion, and the Ummah of Purity - adamantly defend the genocide, saying that it was a necessary judgement of God.
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:56 am

So your nation did the Holocaust, but worse. What surprises me is that defense of the genocide remains widespread (among fundamentalists at least) in Palmyrion. That's pretty sad.




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Postby The Empire of Occitania » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:42 pm

North German Realm wrote:I can see why Occitania would be culturally transphobic and reactionary. Can't understand it but I can easily see it. But honestly unless Napoleon beat you just as he beat the rest of Europe, I can't see why you'd employ a legal system as retarded as the Civil Law. Literally none of Europe enjoyed that stupid system until Napoleon colonized half of Europe.
Perhaps reactionary is not quite the right word, but within a society that has experienced gender equality for much longer than the rest of the world and has largely done away with gender roles, transgender and transsexual individuals would be seen as upholding and reinforcing said gender roles. For example, within Occitania it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to act in a traditionally 'masculine' way or for a man to act in a traditionally 'feminine' way, but that does not make her a man nor him a woman, respectively. For this reason, Occitania could be described as "gender critical". As for why Occitania uses the "retarded" (bit strong but okay) civil legal system, it was officially introduced by Azalaïs I as one of her many reforms following the Bloodless Revolution (which in itself was based on the imperial law codified under Penelòpa II). Civil law evolved from Roman law, and so seeing as how post-Revolution Occitania saw a society-wide re-emergence of classical themes and a glorification of their Latin roots, it seems to follow that Occitania would adopt a civil legal system. Additionally, Azalaïs I is essentially this universe's more successful stand-in for Napoleon, so I apologise if my factbook isn't very clear and hope I've cleared up any confusion!


For AN: That does seem rather Orwellian, and not at all ethical or moral. I can't imagine many are happy about this bizarre form of slavery. At least I know I'm safe, given my almost complete lack of any mathematical skill.


On 15 March 1793, deposed emperor Laurenç II fled to Great Britain to petition the British crown to intervene in Occitania and restore him to the Occitan throne. He claimed that his daughter's accession to the throne was illegitimate due to the manner in which he was deposed, and the British Prime Minister agreed. Britain declared war on Azalaïs I to restore Laurenç II and the "natural order", although the war only lasted just over a month. Ireland joined the war in defence of Azalaïs I, and a British fleet left Dover with a landing force and the Emperor on board bound for Bolonha de Mar. The British fleet, which consisted of only one 74-gun third rate and two 50-gun fourth rates, was intercepted in the middle of the English Channel by a small Irish fleet and the Occitan 122-gun ship-of-the-line Glòria Etèrna. Due to a catastrophic intelligence failure, the British woefully misinterpreted the situation in Occitania and did not anticipate any major resistance. With the British fleet being caught off guard, the battle was short. The only ship lost was HMS Thunderer, which, whilst carrying Laurenç II, suffered a magazine explosion following a broadside from Glòria Etèrna. The ship was lost with all hands and the war was ended, humiliating Britain. The British attempt to restore the Emperor continued to stain British-Occitan relations over the next century, and arguably even today. However, some historians have suggested that, because the British attempts to restore Laurenç II were seemingly so weak and unprepared, Azalaïs I may have struck a deal with the British government to create a scenario wherein she could permanently end the threat her father posed to her, although the majority of respected Occitan historians reject this theory due to the lack of evidence for it. Outside of Occitania, the death of Laurenç II is generally considered to signify the end of the Bloodless Revolution, although the Occitans themselves instead consider their first democratic general election, held in May 1794, to be the Revolution's end.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:56 pm

I am correct in assuming Laurenç II was someone very unwelcoming and hostile to the idea of reform or progressive (for the age) policies? If so, and his daughter was someone much a person much closer to our time in ways of thinking, then I am rather pleased by the turn of events. I’m unsurprised to see Great Britain support such a figure though, particularly considering its own society at the time, and how one of its primary goals is the destabilisation of Europe since time immemorial.
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