by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:20 am
by Nuroblav » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:52 am
by The Alma Mater » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:25 am
by Red Roja » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:28 am
Nuroblav wrote:Hi!
I've heard about the 'jihad' concept. If I remember correctly it's about fighting the evil within yourself or something like that. Is that correct?
Also, from an onlooker's perspective the religion seems pretty authoritarian. I might be wrong but what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:35 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:54 pm
Nuroblav wrote:Hi!
I've heard about the 'jihad' concept. If I remember correctly it's about fighting the evil within yourself or something like that. Is that correct?
Also, from an onlooker's perspective the religion seems pretty authoritarian. I might be wrong but what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:55 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:What do Muslims think of ireland?
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:23 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Can you share some positive things muslims contributed to mankind in the last 100 years ? Like e,g, cures for diseases, inventions everybody enjoys etc
Because we get showered with the misery muslims cause, but never hear anything positive.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:30 pm
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:37 pm
Jolthig wrote:Salaam brother. You should've asked this in IDT, and this thread may get moved to IDT soon as it's impossible to make a thread about Islam and muslims outside of IDT.
by Genivaria » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:38 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Can you share some positive things muslims contributed to mankind in the last 100 years ? Like e,g, cures for diseases, inventions everybody enjoys etc
Because we get showered with the misery muslims cause, but never hear anything positive.
by Red Roja » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:40 pm
Insaanistan wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Can you share some positive things muslims contributed to mankind in the last 100 years ? Like e,g, cures for diseases, inventions everybody enjoys etc
Because we get showered with the misery muslims cause, but never hear anything positive.
Hello,
The following things are Muslim inventions:
Algebra
Coffee
Cameras
Many Surgical Instruments
Universities
Way better maps
Better Astolabes
The idea there are two other Continents across the ocean from Africa
An almost exact diameter of the Earth
Flying Machines
Clocks
Glasses
An advanced book about medicine
Paper Mills
Computer/Mathematical Algorithms
Soap
Chess Manuals
Ethanol
The idea of food chains
Glass manufacturing
And much, MUCH more.
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:40 pm
Genivaria wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Can you share some positive things muslims contributed to mankind in the last 100 years ? Like e,g, cures for diseases, inventions everybody enjoys etc
Because we get showered with the misery muslims cause, but never hear anything positive.
Wasn't the Scientific Method put together by an Arab philosopher in Baghdad?
Ibn al-Haytham I believe, he essentially finished and codified what Aristotle began.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:42 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Jolthig wrote:Salaam brother. You should've asked this in IDT, and this thread may get moved to IDT soon as it's impossible to make a thread about Islam and muslims outside of IDT.
Wa alaykum salam,
I understand why that might happen, which is why I put in the OP that this is meant to be independent from IDT. IDT Islamic stuff in general, but this one is specifically to clear up any misconceptions, and I hope the moderators understand that.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:44 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:What do Muslims think of ireland?
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:44 pm
Red Roja wrote:Insaanistan wrote:
Hello,
The following things are Muslim inventions:
Algebra
Coffee
Cameras
Many Surgical Instruments
Universities
Way better maps
Better Astolabes
The idea there are two other Continents across the ocean from Africa
An almost exact diameter of the Earth
Flying Machines
Clocks
Glasses
An advanced book about medicine
Paper Mills
Computer/Mathematical Algorithms
Soap
Chess Manuals
Ethanol
The idea of food chains
Glass manufacturing
And much, MUCH more.
The Greeks invented algebra, the Italians invented glasses, glass making was invented in ancient Rome around the time of Christianity, and the first flying machines were invented by the Chinese. Just because Muslims stole the credit for something or added their own spin on something doesn't mean they invented it.
Islam itself is made up of stolen elements from Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and local Arab pagan religions.
by Red Roja » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:45 pm
Jolthig wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:What do Muslims think of ireland?
Imam Ibrahim Noonan of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is from there. A great imam and he is a convert, like me. I admire his passion. I pray, Ireland may become converted to Ahmadiyya Islam in the future, inshallah. The white birds of the Promised Messiah's (as) prophecy, will inshallah, come true.
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:46 pm
Jolthig wrote:Insaanistan wrote:
Wa alaykum salam,
I understand why that might happen, which is why I put in the OP that this is meant to be independent from IDT. IDT Islamic stuff in general, but this one is specifically to clear up any misconceptions, and I hope the moderators understand that.
IDT is already made for that, brother. In answered allegations and questions myself many times in IDT. Although, this is a good way to get IDT active again, nonetheless.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:46 pm
Red Roja wrote:Jolthig wrote:Imam Ibrahim Noonan of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is from there. A great imam and he is a convert, like me. I admire his passion. I pray, Ireland may become converted to Ahmadiyya Islam in the future, inshallah. The white birds of the Promised Messiah's (as) prophecy, will inshallah, come true.
The Irish respect democracy and basic human rights too much to embrace Islam.
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:47 pm
Red Roja wrote:Jolthig wrote:Imam Ibrahim Noonan of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is from there. A great imam and he is a convert, like me. I admire his passion. I pray, Ireland may become converted to Ahmadiyya Islam in the future, inshallah. The white birds of the Promised Messiah's (as) prophecy, will inshallah, come true.
The Irish respect democracy and basic human rights too much to embrace Islam.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:49 pm
by Red Roja » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:49 pm
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:06 pm
Red Roja wrote:Jolthig wrote:What basic human rights and tenants of democracy does Islam reject? Human rights is a huge thing in Islam.
Violating human rights is a big thing in Islam. Treating women as property, spousal rape, slavery, raping slave girls, killing apostates, targeting civilians in war, woman are only half as valuable as men, a woman's testimony is worth half as much as a man's in court, killing homosexuals, I can go on.
by Jolthig » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:18 pm
spousal rape
slavery
raping slave girls
killing apostates
, targeting civilians in war
woman are only half as valuable as men
a woman's testimony is worth half as much as a man's in court
, killing homosexuals, I can go on.
by Insaanistan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Jolthig wrote:Red Roja wrote:
Violating human rights is a big thing in Islam. Treating women as property
Women aren't treated as Property in Islam. There is no quranic verse or hadith that alludes to this.spousal rape
Spousal rape is not a thing in Islam as it would contradict the Islamic concepts of chastity.slavery
raping slave girls
Although there was definitely slaves in Muhammad's time, he intended to abolish that practice slowly.
There is no verse or hadith that mention raping slave girls either.killing apostates
There is no Quranic verse that supports this. If you bring up the hadith of "Ibn Abbas", that hadith is false because one of the narrators, Ikrima, was a slave of Ibn Abbas who later converted to the Khawarij, a hostile sect that brought chaos and disorder to Arabia, especially towards some of the first khalifas., targeting civilians in war
There is no such thing.
Quranic verse 60:8: Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable.woman are only half as valuable as men
Men and women are equal in Islam.
Quranic verse 16:98: Whoso acts righteously, whether male or female, and is a believer, We will surely grant him a pure life; and We will surely bestow on such their reward according to the best of their works.a woman's testimony is worth half as much as a man's in court
Incorrect. As a matter of fact, in Surah al-Noor 24:6-8, a women's (which in this case is the wife of a husband) testimony is more than enough to prove their case. In al-Nisa 4:15, the testimony of 4 witnesses can be both male and female. There is no genders mentioned other than the fact it's gender neutral.
Now, let's go to the root of your allegation: The allegation this stems from is al-Baqarah 2:282:
And call two witnesses from among your men; and if two men be not available, then a man and two women, of such as you like as witnesses, so that if either of two women should err in memory,
In this case, this is regarding financial matters when a product is brought and sold or any other transaction: https://www.alislam.org/quran/2:283
The purpose of a second female witness is to assist the other female, who is the party involved in a financial matter, in helping to remember how the transaction was made whereas for a man, his own testimony is sufficient.
For more information: https://www.alislam.org/articles/2-fema ... e-witness/, killing homosexuals, I can go on.
Nope. Islam does not prescribe killing homosexuals either. Although yes, homosexuality is no doubt, a grave sin in Islam, there is no death penalty for it.
If these do not satisfy you, let us both go straight to the sources that we cite our arguments from, and let us put one another's knowledge of Islam to the test, shall we? Let's make this a good historical and political academic discussion for our audience to benefit from as I enjoy good discussions.
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