Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Yirophia wrote:
It's a fancy nation simulator game for fun, not a nuclear launch system. In real life there's armies worth of economists, statistical analysts, and other technocrats at the ready to tell the political class, at least broadly, what effects a policy can be expected to bring about and why.
... I mean, they don't listen to the people who actually know these things, most of the time, but still.
Nonetheless, we all agree to certain disclosure rules when we sign up to the various volunteer roles, so this discussion is closed.
[sensibly chuckles in proxies, puppets, information leaks, an entire universe outside of NS, database lurking, and the unstoppable force of mathematics that is statistical analysis all existing simultaneously]
Right, well, I'm sure there's plenty of info on whatever you're hiding just a quick internet search away, if you insist. Who knows, maybe you're even one of the ones who have talked, just not on this site, under this alias. Anyway....
This nation, just a minute ago. Issue 890, option 4.
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Black MarketEnergy-mass credits 121,900,000,000 → 174,600,000,000 43.2% Eco-FriendlinessDolphin Recycling Awareness Index 786.68 → 884.05 12.4% PrimitivenessScary Big Number Scale -190.07 → -177.31 6.7% WeatherMeters Of Sunlight 122.00 → 128.00 4.9% Environmental BeautyPounds Of Wildlife Per Square Mile 810.55 → 850.25 4.9% Freedom From TaxationHayek Index 40.78 → 42.59 4.4% AuthoritarianismmilliStalins 398.23 → 410.00 3.0% PacifismCheeks Turned Per Day 59.60 → 61.35 2.9% NicenessAverage Smiles Per Day 20.14 → 20.70 2.8% Income EqualityMarx-Engels Emancipation Scale 41.47 → 42.56 2.6% TourismTourists Per Hour 1,218.00 → 1,238.64 1.7% IgnoranceMissed References Per Hour 1.47 → 1.49 1.4% CompassionKitten Softness Rating 52.16 → 52.84 1.3% Industry: Cheese ExportsMozzarella Productivity Index 83.91 → 84.87 1.1% Business SubsidizationGilded Widget Scale 2,097.81 → 2,121.73 1.1% Industry: Pizza DeliveryPepperoni Propulsion Productivity Index 910.45 → 920.83 1.1% Industry: Basket WeavingHickory Productivity Index 999.96 → 1,011.36 1.1% Law EnforcementOrwell Orderliness Index 1,748.18 → 1,768.11 1.1% Industry: Arms ManufacturingCharon Conveyancy Index 2,741.14 → 2,772.39 1.1% Industry: GamblingKelly Criterion Productivity Index 2,327.17 → 2,353.70 1.1% Industry: Book PublishingBella Potter Productivity e-Index 6,922.78 → 7,001.70 1.1% Industry: Furniture RestorationSpitz-Pollish Productivity Index 3,915.92 → 3,960.56 1.1% Public EducationEdu-tellignce® Test Score 4,632.67 → 4,685.48 1.1% Industry: MiningBlue Sky Asbestos Index 6,013.73 → 6,082.28 1.1% Defense ForcesTotal War Preparedness Rating 2,622.27 → 2,652.16 1.1% Sector: ManufacturingGooback-Jerbs Productivity Index 3,811.03 → 3,854.47 1.1% Industry: InsuranceRisk Expulsion Effectiveness Rating 2,377.52 → 2,404.62 1.1% Public TransportSocietal Mobility Rating 699.27 → 707.24 1.1% WelfareSafety Net Mesh Density Rating 3,234.13 → 3,270.99 1.1% Sector: AgricultureMu-Bah-Daggs Productivity Index 1,835.59 → 1,856.51 1.1% Public HealthcareTheresa-Nightingale Rating 1,573.36 → 1,591.29 1.1% Industry: Beverage SalesAddison-Fukk Productivity Rating 367.12 → 371.30 1.1% Foreign AidClooney Contribution Index 349.64 → 353.62 1.1% Industry: Automobile ManufacturingHenry Ford Productivity Index 69.93 → 70.72 1.1% Industry: Timber WoodchippingTasmanian Pulp Environmental Export Index 69.93 → 70.72 1.1% AveragenessAverage Standardized Normality Scale 44.81 → 45.07 0.58% ComplianceLaw-abiding Acts Per Hour 68.53 → 68.70 0.25% TaxationEffective Tax Rate 38.27 → 38.35 0.21% Government SizeBureaucratic Comprehensiveness Rating Scale Index 16.22 → 16.25 0.18% ObesityObesity Rate 9.80 → 9.78 0.20% CrimeCrimes Per Hour 2.38 → 2.37 0.42% Human Development IndexHuman Development Index 70.16 → 69.72 0.63% EconomyKrugman-Greenspan Business Outlook Index 91.74 → 91.15 0.64% Average Income of PoorEnergy-mass credits 51,767.39 → 51,403.26 0.70% EmploymentWorkforce Participation Rate 65.64 → 65.06 0.88% IntelligenceQuips Per Hour 47.27 → 46.85 0.89% Average Disposable IncomeEnergy-mass credits 51,042.69 → 49,977.27 2.1% Average IncomeEnergy-mass credits 82,727.22 → 81,000.44 2.1% Economic OutputEnergy-mass credits 48,065,000,000,000 → 47,061,000,000,000 2.1% WeaponizationWeapons Per Person 0.43 → 0.42 2.3% Wealth GapsRich To Poor Income Ratio 2.41 → 2.35 2.5% Ideological RadicalityPaul-Nader Subjective Decentrality Index 10.19 → 9.93 2.6% RudenessInsults Per Minute 69.73 → 67.75 2.8% Average Income of RichEnergy-mass credits 124,837.24 → 120,778.51 3.3% Economic FreedomRand Index 51.22 → 49.44 3.5% CharmlessnessKardashian Reflex Score 0.88 → 0.84 4.5% Scientific AdvancementKurzweil Singularity Index 195.86 → 183.50 6.3% Industry: Information TechnologyFann-Boi Productivity Index 14,544.83 → 12,588.91 13.4% Industry: RetailShrinkwrap Consignment Productivity Index 3,915.92 → 3,324.04 15.1%
Meanwhile in reality (to skip a lot of econ work which I myself don't even have a formal understanding of, just picked up from a friend who's an econ grad), sales tax/VAT/general consumption taxes on non-essential items = good. Anything that doesn't have perfectly price-inelastic demand (i.e. people will in principle buy the same quantity of it whether it costs 1 unit of monies or 20,000 unit of monies) will experience a reduction in sales, but that money doesn't just go poof. It gets shifted to a mix of mostly savings (i.e. economic growth; "savings = investment = growth" is basically a statement of accounting fact, not even all that complex econ work) and government revenues (i.e. economic growth or some other measure of societal health if the government is actually not braindead). And you certainly would have a difficult time making a nation's black market explode to nearly 1.5x the size with anything short of the most extreme consumption taxes, especially on goods that would be extremely difficult for backdoor black/grey market shops, that don't charge consumption tax and pay it forward to the government, to produce or sell.
And seriously, the scientific advancement/primitiveness split on this is just disgusting. Having people constantly consume cheap disposable tech trash doesn't make your nation advanced, it would do the opposite if anything.