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by Kowani » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:13 am
by Lord Dominator » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:17 am
Kowani wrote:“This is complete and utter nonsense, an ideal held on the baseless claptrap that religion must be respected in the first place. It is rather bad enough that the WA does not allow an outright prohibition, but to require human sacrifice, regardless of consensuality-that is several bridges too far.”
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:17 pm
by Kowani » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:37 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Kowani wrote:“This is complete and utter nonsense, an ideal held on the baseless claptrap that religion must be respected in the first place. It is rather bad enough that the WA does not allow an outright prohibition, but to require human sacrifice, regardless of consensuality-that is several bridges too far.”
"Where ambassador, has anyone suggested it be made made mandatory?"
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:45 pm
by WayNeacTia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:48 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Also cool non-responsive. Wrong from GA 2 art 2 all the way to GA 430 s 4.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:51 pm
Wayneactia wrote:What exactly is the point to repealing this? There has to be some endgame here.
by Kowani » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:53 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Also cool non-responsive. Wrong from GA 2 art 2 all the way to GA 430 s 4.
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:04 pm
by Kowani » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:15 pm
No, actually. Things that neither the WA or local law prohibit are permitted. However, the last portion of clause 4 states “except where restrictions on said practice are the least restrictive means by which to advance a compelling, practical interest in the maintenance of safety, health, or good order.” We shall note that an outright ban is, by definition, the most restrictive means of advancing any of the aforementioned causes, save for perhaps murdering all the practitioners. Furthermore, it cannot be justified under public safety, because, assuming that it is consensual, then the only members of the public in danger are the practitioners, and they have already consented to it. And considering that your argument to repeal GA285 was that individuals should have the right to end their own lives, it becomes immediately apparent that any argument that they should not have the right to let others do the same would be a spectacular case study in hypocrisy. Health can be done in much less restrictive ways than an outright ban-mandating proper cleanup and disposal, clean tools, a sanitary environment, etc. Even public order can be done rather simply-mandate that it be done in private. You see, ambassador, the keyword here is least restrictive, which mandates that everything else possible be done to achieve the listed objectives before an outright ban is considered.Imperium Anglorum wrote:To whom is your ambassador speaking? I'm not sure whether your are RP your ambassadors as practitioners of illiteracy or whether you have a misunderstanding of the resolution itself. The claim is still wrong: negative work needs doing to have the words come back to the consensus position on it.
If your nation really believes that everything that isn't banned by the WA is legal, then it shouldn't be called a nation at all: it would be an active war zone in which people can get away with murdering their neighbours and stealing their things with zero repercussions. And it last clause of the portion that you quoted seems clearly there. I don't believe that a real world interlocutor would be so unable to miss something so in front of their face.
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:39 pm
Kowani wrote:No, actually. Things that neither the WA or local law prohibit are permitted. However, the last portion of clause 4 states “except where restrictions on said practice are the least restrictive means by which to advance a compelling, practical interest in the maintenance of safety, health, or good order.” We shall note that an outright ban is, by definition, the most restrictive means of advancing any of the aforementioned causes, save for perhaps murdering all the practitioners. Furthermore, it cannot be justified under public safety, because, assuming that it is consensual, then the only members of the public in danger are the practitioners, and they have already consented to it. And considering that your argument to repeal GA285 was that individuals should have the right to end their own lives, it becomes immediately apparent that any argument that they should not have the right to let others do the same would be a spectacular case study in hypocrisy. Health can be done in much less restrictive ways than an outright ban-mandating proper cleanup and disposal, clean tools, a sanitary environment, etc. Even public order can be done rather simply-mandate that it be done in private. You see, ambassador, the keyword here is least restrictive, which mandates that everything else possible be done to achieve the listed objectives before an outright ban is considered.
by Araraukar » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:19 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:To whom is your ambassador speaking? I'm not sure whether your are RP your ambassadors
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This thread is in character.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:51 pm
My signature wrote:Out-of-character unless marked otherwise
by Denathor » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:46 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This thread is in character.
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