by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:17 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Saiwania » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:23 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:28 pm
Saiwania wrote:COPPA is a dumb law in my view, and the best way forward would be to get it repealed. Now, how to actually bring that about? Replace it with something more relevant or better if people really want that.
My understanding is that it was written by lawmakers who don't understand the Internet or think it can be regulated like TV. Maybe it worked well in the early 90s. But online its vastly different now, as to make it one of those obsolete laws that no one cares to enforce the majority of the time.
People now at least have tools to control their children's online access, without bothering the rest of us. This wasn't as true in the old days.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Southern Avarsarstan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:28 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:[...] or turn it into something no different from the rest of the media.
by La Paz de Los Ricos » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:34 pm
by Amuaplye » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:45 pm
Electrum on Discord wrote:Please do not ping me a list of body parts.
by Saiwania » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:48 pm
Amuaplye wrote:I'm not afraid.
1. The people at the FTC aren't stupid. They won't watch like 5 seconds of a video and decide from then on. They probably are smart enough to watch an entire video, like all of us do.
by Amuaplye » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:05 pm
Saiwania wrote:Amuaplye wrote:I'm not afraid.
1. The people at the FTC aren't stupid. They won't watch like 5 seconds of a video and decide from then on. They probably are smart enough to watch an entire video, like all of us do.
There aren't enough hours in a day to watch a video from beginning to end at scale. Logistically it can't be done. If the FTC isn't invested in what they're reviewing, of course they don't watch the entire thing. It'd have to be quite similar to how the ESRB rates media.
Electrum on Discord wrote:Please do not ping me a list of body parts.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:17 pm
Amuaplye wrote:Saiwania wrote:
There aren't enough hours in a day to watch a video from beginning to end at scale. Logistically it can't be done. If the FTC isn't invested in what they're reviewing, of course they don't watch the entire thing. It'd have to be quite similar to how the ESRB rates media.
Well, it would be long enough to justify an accurate response. If your thing didn't get the right rating, you can probably take the matter up with YouTube and the FTC.
Also, here's the Mr. Enter video I was talking about in my previous post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1xHglORp0
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Amuaplye » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:55 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:And how do they know they couldn't face retaliatory bans for doing so, or at least copyright strikes they wouldn't otherwise get?
Electrum on Discord wrote:Please do not ping me a list of body parts.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Amuaplye wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:And how do they know they couldn't face retaliatory bans for doing so, or at least copyright strikes they wouldn't otherwise get?
Because, afaik, YouTube hasn't done that ever. Even in the whole "profits before people" mentality, it wouldn't make sense. You would lose people, which would cause you to lose money.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Page » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm
by Chan Island » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:45 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:11 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:25 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Coppa is nothing new. It has been around for about 6 years. The laws points are as follows. (From wiki)
After July 1, 2013, operators must:[29]
Post a clear and comprehensive online privacy policy describing their information practices for personal information collected online from persons under age 13;
Make reasonable efforts (taking into account available technology) to provide direct notice to parents of the operator's practices with regard to the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from persons under 13, including notice of any material change to such practices to which the parents has previously consented;
Obtain verifiable parental consent, with limited exceptions, prior to any collection, use, and/or disclosure of personal information from persons under age 13;
Provide a reasonable means for a parent to review the personal information collected from their child and to refuse to permit its further use or maintenance;
Establish and maintain reasonable procedures to protect the confidentiality, security, and integrity of the personal information collected from children under age 13, including by taking reasonable steps to disclose/release such personal information only to parties capable of maintaining its confidentiality and security; and
Retain personal information collected online from a child for only as long as is necessary to fulfill the purpose for which it was collected and delete the information using reasonable measures to protect against its unauthorized access or use.
Operators are prohibited from conditioning a child's participation in an online activity on the child providing more information than is reasonably necessary to participate in that activity.[30]
I. am not seeing anything unreasonable here, maybe your problem is what google is doing, take it up with them
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Xmara » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:38 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Coppa is nothing new. It has been around for about 6 years. The laws points are as follows. (From wiki)
After July 1, 2013, operators must:[29]
Post a clear and comprehensive online privacy policy describing their information practices for personal information collected online from persons under age 13;
Make reasonable efforts (taking into account available technology) to provide direct notice to parents of the operator's practices with regard to the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from persons under 13, including notice of any material change to such practices to which the parents has previously consented;
Obtain verifiable parental consent, with limited exceptions, prior to any collection, use, and/or disclosure of personal information from persons under age 13;
Provide a reasonable means for a parent to review the personal information collected from their child and to refuse to permit its further use or maintenance;
Establish and maintain reasonable procedures to protect the confidentiality, security, and integrity of the personal information collected from children under age 13, including by taking reasonable steps to disclose/release such personal information only to parties capable of maintaining its confidentiality and security; and
Retain personal information collected online from a child for only as long as is necessary to fulfill the purpose for which it was collected and delete the information using reasonable measures to protect against its unauthorized access or use.
Operators are prohibited from conditioning a child's participation in an online activity on the child providing more information than is reasonably necessary to participate in that activity.[30]
I. am not seeing anything unreasonable here, maybe your problem is what google is doing, take it up with them
Google warned parents that YouTube was not intended for those under 13, yet parents let kids use it anyway. Whose fault is that?
by Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:03 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Coppa is nothing new. It has been around for about 6 years. The laws points are as follows. (From wiki)
After July 1, 2013, operators must:[29]
Post a clear and comprehensive online privacy policy describing their information practices for personal information collected online from persons under age 13;
Make reasonable efforts (taking into account available technology) to provide direct notice to parents of the operator's practices with regard to the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from persons under 13, including notice of any material change to such practices to which the parents has previously consented;
Obtain verifiable parental consent, with limited exceptions, prior to any collection, use, and/or disclosure of personal information from persons under age 13;
Provide a reasonable means for a parent to review the personal information collected from their child and to refuse to permit its further use or maintenance;
Establish and maintain reasonable procedures to protect the confidentiality, security, and integrity of the personal information collected from children under age 13, including by taking reasonable steps to disclose/release such personal information only to parties capable of maintaining its confidentiality and security; and
Retain personal information collected online from a child for only as long as is necessary to fulfill the purpose for which it was collected and delete the information using reasonable measures to protect against its unauthorized access or use.
Operators are prohibited from conditioning a child's participation in an online activity on the child providing more information than is reasonably necessary to participate in that activity.[30]
I. am not seeing anything unreasonable here, maybe your problem is what google is doing, take it up with them
Google warned parents that YouTube was not intended for those under 13, yet parents let kids use it anyway. Whose fault is that?
by Munkcestrian Republic » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:05 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:12 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by New haven america » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:18 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:24 pm
New haven america wrote:FFS, I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again: COPPA isn't causing YouTube to make all of these stupid new rules, YouTube and Google are making YouTube make all these stupid new rules.
YouTube would've been just fine if they stopped taking people's data and personal info, but just like Facebook they don't want to do that anytime soon, so now they have to come up with these stupid rules so they can still steal data but not have it be illegal.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by New haven america » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:28 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:New haven america wrote:FFS, I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again: COPPA isn't causing YouTube to make all of these stupid new rules, YouTube and Google are making YouTube make all these stupid new rules.
YouTube would've been just fine if they stopped taking people's data and personal info, but just like Facebook they don't want to do that anytime soon, so now they have to come up with these stupid rules so they can still steal data but not have it be illegal.
I have nothing to hide from them. The problem isn't the data collection, it's the ads. No one should be advertising to children; a business that cannot convince an adult of a product or service's quality deserves to lose.
Which means that YouTube, as a service that uses advertising, should not be shown to children. Which they themselves admitted when they said it wasn't intended for people under 13.
by Vegaslovakia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:37 pm
Amuaplye wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:And how do they know they couldn't face retaliatory bans for doing so, or at least copyright strikes they wouldn't otherwise get?
Because, afaik, YouTube hasn't done that ever. Even in the whole "profits before people" mentality, it wouldn't make sense. You would lose people, which would cause you to lose money.
by Bear Stearns » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:40 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:25 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:1. YouTube hosts material that targets kids.
2. That point is not material to what the law requires from google.
So if individuals claim their video is appropriate for kids, despite posting it on YouTube, couldn't the law get those individuals on false advertising?
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