Block II wrote:I have been unjustly blacklisted, so yes I’m being harassed and bullied.
You can shout that as much as you want. Nobody (that hasn't been blacklisted anyway) believes it.
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by WayNeacTia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:31 pm
Block II wrote:I have been unjustly blacklisted, so yes I’m being harassed and bullied.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:23 pm
Block II wrote:I have been unjustly blacklisted, so yes I’m being harassed and bullied.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by WayNeacTia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:30 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by The Church of Satan » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:45 pm
by Block II » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:51 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Which goes to show that you, Block, have learned nothing. You're the same sort of person you were when you did what you did.
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:00 am
Block II wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:Which goes to show that you, Block, have learned nothing. You're the same sort of person you were when you did what you did.
I’ve done nothing to get blacklisted, CoS. My persecution is unjust, and therefore it is harassment and bullying.
And, I’ll go on to add that I’m a much better person than I was 10 years ago when I was a teenager. I’d like to think that we all are.
by Numero Capitan » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:27 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:
±10 years ago, Sedge was a mod, now, he's a mod. Has he improved?
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:36 am
by Lamoni » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:50 pm
Block II wrote:Twins of Hearts wrote:
No one here has said there is a central database. I think you must be confused...the White List Campaign is a campaign against bullying, shaming, and shunning. In your own words "...just a bunch of people..." have chosen to become rigid and inflexible around this issue, and they do, in an unsolicited manner, continue to gossip about player X being on "the blacklist", or "dont talk to them, they are blacklisted", or when a blacklisted player does speak openly, they are banned or ignored/shunned.
The White List Campaign (https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1303449) clearly lays out a simple plan to end the exclusionary and negative behavior on both sides. Its not about personal belief or personal choice being invalidated. In fact, it speaks to Honoring the "negative" experience that created the blacklisting, and striving towards healing. Repeat: Both aggreived parties are the target, so that they are no longer aggrieved. The intention is to keep gameplay fun, interesting and not in the hands of a few "Gossip Kings/Queens" that, intentionally or not, misrepresent information and continues to cause great harm LONG after events have been worked out by the participants.
Xoriet, I know you are quite involved in repeating the things you learn about on the blacklist. You would be a great partner in helping us work out a solution! Using your gifts to be helpful to the White List Campaign and to nations on site would be a wonderful way to give back!
You are right about Original Nationstates being more enjoyable. Its back when the site peaked in usage, search engine searches, etc. Its when the game was never thought of as potentially dying off. It also lacked a Blacklist and..... everything was fine. Now I was around for those days, and while flame wars and griefing happened, site admin and the mods took care of it. They made rules. I was threatened with being killed many times. However, the moderation staff deleted those users, banned their IPs etc. A Blacklist truly solves nothing but to create a caste system through cult based indoctrination techniques as discussed above. I know I am above that, and I assume you are too.
This Blacklisting is a modern Nationstates creation that seemed to blossom with discord. I am focusing on its influence creep into the game of nationstates, not into private discord servers for specific regions, etc.
Darkesia is correct. Shunning will continue the Blacklist. Its also used by most major cults to disrupt families and friends, and drive a wedge to keep trapped cult members....trapped. One group famously coined the phrase "subversive individuals" in order to make shunning easier. Its just BAD. ANd it is the absolute pinnacle of hypocrisy, unintentional, I presume, to have those advocating for safety, as CoS did above; creating and perpetuating a broken system that actually allows other offsite abuses to occur.
Just look at the negative tone of some of the responses. The mere idea of switching up a system has so flustered those nations participating in it, that the real cost of The Blacklist is revealed: you have to trust those running it. That is why its a universal negative. Self appointed friends that ally together to promote blacklisting players who do not obey their specific and personal code of gaming is WRONG. Its bullying. And it is most certainly discriminatory.
You cannot cure "evil" with "evil", if that is what the moral justification is here. I have been told most Blacklisted players simply "go underground" make a new identity and play elsewhere on the game. Its easy enough to do. However why should anyone be bullied into sacrificing their identity? Some nations have special meaning to their players. Which victim is every told to do that? That is why we must trust our Moderators, and cease having self appointed "mobocratic" campaigns against a minority group of nations and instead focus on the correction of the difficulty between situations, or nations as The White List Campaign discusses.
Also, mildly disappointed their were no constructive ideas for enhancing The White List. As a further clarification, I am not suggesting any one person "runs" it, simply that a cooperative and caring group of nations interested in gaming to be the focus to step up and take positive action when the need arises, according to a delineated and (as universally agreed upon as possible) accepted pattern of conflict resolution.
You make very valid and factually correct points, Twins of Hearts. It’s a shame they are falling on the deaf ears of harassers and bullies. I believe they know you’re right, but don’t want to acknowledge the truth. So they hide from the truth by trying to silence you with cult like tactics such as “shunning” and “ignoring”. It’s rude, and down right despicable, really.
As far as suggestions for how to improve or implement this whitelist campaign, perhaps we could try creating a region with the aim to rehabilitate members of our community dealing with this? Or we could have regions that already established pledge themselves to helping with the rehabilitation? Or we could even have members of our community work with someone dealing with the blacklist and sponsor them for reintegration with the rest of the community?
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by Twins of Hearts » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:10 pm
by The Church of Satan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:33 pm
by Custadia » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:50 pm
Twins of Hearts wrote:The moderators and admin will keep us as players safe from offenses.
by South Reinkalistan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:16 pm
by Twins of Hearts » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:38 pm
South Reinkalistan wrote:OOC: Hmmm... a tag:WA telegram? These folks are really going all-out, huh?
Then again, it's probably a move out of desperation and lack of support
by George Mountbatten VI » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:48 pm
by The Church of Satan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:55 pm
George Mountbatten VI wrote:I can't say the decision is suprising. It truly appears that those in power will act by whatever means they can to strike down those who dare question them. I truly don't mean to inflame however I didn't see any issue with Block's comments. Eventhough factual he is punished. What a pity.
by Vaculatestar64 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:00 pm
by George Mountbatten VI » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:02 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:George Mountbatten VI wrote:I can't say the decision is suprising. It truly appears that those in power will act by whatever means they can to strike down those who dare question them. I truly don't mean to inflame however I didn't see any issue with Block's comments. Eventhough factual he is punished. What a pity.
If you mean that ban he got slapped with like five posts ago, he broke another site rule for the umpteenth time. Lamoni isn't "in power". He's a NationStates moderator.
by The Church of Satan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:14 pm
Vaculatestar64 wrote:For players like me, who truly want to make amends for any wrongs we have committed in our (sometimes) long past, I don't see why even an attempt and healing and correction should be something the power players should be against, unless maintaining their power is all they are worried about, which I suspect is the case.
by Borovan entered the region as he » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:20 pm
by Vaculatestar64 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:35 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Vaculatestar64 wrote:For players like me, who truly want to make amends for any wrongs we have committed in our (sometimes) long past, I don't see why even an attempt and healing and correction should be something the power players should be against, unless maintaining their power is all they are worried about, which I suspect is the case.
Allowing racists, sexual deviants and such back into our communities doesn't threaten anyone's political power or influence. It hurts the friends we've made in our communities. An attempt at healing and correction for such players isn't an attempt. It's a risk to innocent players. A potential danger to them that shouldn't have to be taken in the first place. Any blacklisted player who can't (or won't) see that is just being selfish. Our communities are safer places without them.
by Guy » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:01 pm
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Vaculatestar64 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:03 pm
Guy wrote:Thankfully, whether or not you are allowed back into NationStates regions isn't quite the same thing as reintegration into society following completion of a prison sentence. NS communities have to put the safety of their users first, and any other considerations are secondary to that. We aren't trained to mitigate the risk that people who have engaged in misconduct in the past might pose. (And, of course, the ability to participate in NS isn't comparable to not being incarcerated, being able to get a job and housing and integrate into society, etc.)
Rather than complain about the treatment of so-called 'blacklisted' players, if any of you truly desire a second chance, you would have to convince someone that any risks that you pose have been substantially, if not wholly, mitigated. You could do this by showing some insight into the reasons for which you are banned, rather than simply complain about it. Address the harm that you have caused in the past, show some understanding of it and contrition for it, and perhaps even try to make amends where possible.
Until then, all that I get from this 'whitelisting' campaign are people upset that their actions have consequences for themselves, without understanding that it's the consequences to others from their actions that have landed them where they are.
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