MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Fahran]

Whatever Trump says they believe and that's why the vast majority of Republicans wont convict or speak out against him. All he has to do is endorse they primary challenger and they will lose.

They won't convict him because the public perception of impeachment is suffering in swing states and among their voter base, and voting for it would dramatically harm their reelection prospects, their party, and long-term public faith in American political institutions like Congress and the Presidency. And several Trump supported primary challengers have lost either to fellow Republicans or to Democrats. GOP voters do like Trump overall and it's worth understanding why.

[Telconi]

I don't think you're too familiar with the internal politics of the GOP. Beyond that, calling the voters sheep is still a lazy cop-out that absolves candidates who lost to Trump of all responsibility for not engaging voters.

Whatever Trump says they believe and that's why the vast majority of Republicans wont convict or speak out against him. All he has to do is endorse they primary challenger and they will lose.

Thank you for proving her point.

[San Lumen]

Whatever Trump says they believe and that's why the vast majority of Republicans wont convict or speak out against him. All he has to do is endorse they primary challenger and they will lose.

They won't convict him because the public perception of impeachment is suffering in swing states and among their voter base, and voting for it would dramatically harm their reelection prospects, their party, and long-term public faith in American political institutions like Congress and the Presidency. And several Trump supported primary challengers have lost either to fellow Republicans or to Democrats. GOP voters do like Trump overall and it's worth understanding why.

Yeah who cares about the rule of law? Nixon wouldn't have resigned or been convicted if he were President today.

[Telconi]

They won't convict him because the public perception of impeachment is suffering in swing states and among their voter base, and voting for it would dramatically harm their reelection prospects, their party, and long-term public faith in American political institutions like Congress and the Presidency. And several Trump supported primary challengers have lost either to fellow Republicans or to Democrats. GOP voters do like Trump overall and it's worth understanding why.

Yeah who cares about the rule of law?

What rule of law? Impeachment?

[Fahran]

Yeah who cares about the rule of law?

There's serious questions about whether the case for impeachment is iron-clad. A lot of evidence seems to be circumstantial but that's an argument for another thread, no?

[Bear Stearns]

They won't convict him because the public perception of impeachment is suffering in swing states and among their voter base, and voting for it would dramatically harm their reelection prospects, their party, and long-term public faith in American political institutions like Congress and the Presidency. And several Trump supported primary challengers have lost either to fellow Republicans or to Democrats. GOP voters do like Trump overall and it's worth understanding why.

Yeah who cares about the rule of law? Nixon wouldn't have resigned or been convicted if he were President today.

There is evidence to suggest that Watergate was very much a political coup as well.

[San Lumen]

Yeah who cares about the rule of law? Nixon wouldn't have resigned or been convicted if he were President today.

There is evidence to suggest that Watergate was very much a political coup as well.

Please tell me your not serious.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If it's Trump's intention to withdraw entirely from Iraq, he'd better not just do it. With the assassination he seems to have found a way to provoke the Iraqis into ordering the US out.

Who'd have thought, Iraq standing up for Iran?

Mind you it's not done yet, and the Iraqi parliament wasn't very forceful in their demand. What's needed now is to "accidentally" bomb an Iraqi target.
(Or the threatened "cultural sites" ie Shia monuments)

While the Baathists certainly were anti-Iran, the current Iraqi government isn't. They're very much on Iran's side of the playing field.

So it seems. Nice work George Bush.
I guess if the US/Iran thing escalates the Iraqis will make the US leave.

[Telconi]

There is evidence to suggest that Watergate was very much a political coup as well.

Please tell me your not serious.

We seriously should have kept Nixon around, at least he had some decent environmental policies.

[San Lumen]

While the Baathists certainly were anti-Iran, the current Iraqi government isn't. They're very much on Iran's side of the playing field.

So it seems. Nice work George Bush.
I guess if the US/Iran thing escalates the Iraqis will make the US leave.

And Trump is threaten sanctions on Iraq and cripple them economically if they do so. That's someone whose clearly thinking rationally.

[Telconi]

So it seems. Nice work George Bush.
I guess if the US/Iran thing escalates the Iraqis will make the US leave.

And Trump is threaten sanctions on Iraq and cripple them economically if they do so. That's someone whose clearly thinking rationally.

Yes, it is...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yeah who cares about the rule of law?

What rule of law? Impeachment?

Bribery, for a start. Obstruction of justice, too.

[Bear Stearns]

There is evidence to suggest that Watergate was very much a political coup as well.

Please tell me your not serious.

Nixon had powerful enemies in the FBI and CIA.

[San Lumen]

And Trump is threaten sanctions on Iraq and cripple them economically if they do so. That's someone whose clearly thinking rationally.

Yes, it is...

How? It would monumentally stupid. Iraq is not our enemy.

[Telconi]

What rule of law? Impeachment?

Bribery, for a start. Obstruction of justice, too.

And what's the legal recourse for these things?

[San Lumen]

Please tell me your not serious.

Nixon had powerful enemies in the FBI and CIA.

Yeah the deep state was out to get him. its not like be broke the law or anything.

[Gormwood]

I don't think you're too familiar with the internal politics of the GOP. Beyond that, calling the voters sheep is still a lazy cop-out that absolves candidates who lost to Trump of all responsibility for not engaging voters.

But why did trump engage them while the others didn't? The answer to that question involves saying worse things about Republican voters than sheep.

Trump is a con artist. He probably saw them as easy marks.

[Telconi]

Yes, it is...

How? It would monumentally stupid. Iraq is not our enemy.

Given how quickly Iraq is devolving into an Iranian puppet state, they sure as shit are.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

They won't convict him because the public perception of impeachment is suffering in swing states and among their voter base, and voting for it would dramatically harm their reelection prospects, their party, and long-term public faith in American political institutions like Congress and the Presidency. And several Trump supported primary challengers have lost either to fellow Republicans or to Democrats. GOP voters do like Trump overall and it's worth understanding why.

Yeah who cares about the rule of law? Nixon wouldn't have resigned or been convicted if he were President today.

Trump won't resign, even if McConnell went to him and said "the numbers are against you" … which they aren't … Trump would rather go down a martyr than think of political appearances and resign.

That chutzpah actually protects him. Senators expect him to survive so they fear retribution if they vote to convict.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Bribery, for a start. Obstruction of justice, too.

And what's the legal recourse for these things?

Impeachment. If the Senate thinks crimes were committed, they should impeach the president. They swore an oath to that effect.

[Gormwood]

But why did trump engage them while the others didn't? The answer to that question involves saying worse things about Republican voters than sheep.

The perception that the Democrats actually hate people like them did it more than anything. It's one thing if your opponent just disagrees with you. It's another if your opponent hates you and thinks you're evil.

The Republicans get away with labeling the other side as THE ENEMY.

[San Lumen]

Yeah who cares about the rule of law? Nixon wouldn't have resigned or been convicted if he were President today.

Trump won't resign, even if McConnell went to him and said "the numbers are against you" … which they aren't … Trump would rather go down a martyr than think of political appearances and resign.

That chutzpah actually protects him. Senators expect him to survive so they fear retribution if they vote to convict.

It would be doing their job to vote to convict. If their base doesnt like it tough. They should stab them in the back.

[Telconi]

And what's the legal recourse for these things?

Impeachment. If the Senate thinks crimes were committed, they should impeach the president. They swore an oath to that effect.

So any president who commits any crime ought to be removed from office?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Impeachment. If the Senate thinks crimes were committed, they should impeach the president. They swore an oath to that effect.

So any president who commits any crime ought to be removed from office?

Yes.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Bribery, for a start. Obstruction of justice, too.

And what's the legal recourse for these things?

Prosecution, but before that to keep him from doing more of it, impeachment.