Iran vs the US Megathread

[Heloin]

You see the thread title?

I did. Iran will has not and will not start open conventional warfare in response.

If a land war starts in Iran because of this then America started it.

[Totally Not OEP]

Proportional response. Remember the last time they stormed an embassy, Carter deployed the Spec Ops for direct action inside Iran? The Russians, the one time Hezbollah fucked with them, cut up the family members and sent the body parts to the responsible parties.

Where were the American hostages in the Iraqi embassy?
And you really shouldn't be trying to use Russia as a great example on how to act.

American hostages inside Iran in 1979; hence why I said Carter lol. As for Russia, my point was exactly that, they super-escalated while we usually act in proportion.

[Ifreann]

That is not starting an open war with them, because they cannot respond with open conventional warfare.

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

[Totally Not OEP]

That is not starting an open war with them, because they cannot respond with open conventional warfare.

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

No it's not, we've done this before several times. It's only a war if they make it one and we'll have to wait and see for that.

[Torrocca]

Can't wait to die in yet another bullshit imperialist war uwu

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Where were the American hostages in the Iraqi embassy?
And you really shouldn't be trying to use Russia as a great example on how to act.

American hostages inside Iran in 1979; hence why I said Carter lol. As for Russia, my point was exactly that, they super-escalated while we usually act in proportion.

There weren't American hostages in the embassy today though.

[Zurkerx]

The will not. They cannot win a conventional war. They know it. So they will not start one.

They didn’t plan on winning. If there was a war, the plan would be to drag it out and drain the US of blood and treasure with asymmetric warfare, not direct conflict.

It's more of a proxy war: we been in one way before Afghanistan. I will say this may increase the chances although this will only bring the proxy war more out in the open now. I don't see a "conventional war" starting but I can definitely see a shadow one being waged.

[Totally Not OEP]

I did. Iran will has not and will not start open conventional warfare in response.

If a land war starts in Iran because of this then America started it.

...except they killed an American first, which started this whole thing. This is equal to someone throw a spitball at another person and then acting like the victim when retaliation comes.

[Novus America]

Well sure they will keep playing the asymmetric warfare they have been, but it turns out we can do it too.

Killing a leader of another nation isn’t really asymmetric warfare.

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

[Heloin]

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

No it's not, we've done this before several times. It's only a war if they make it one and we'll have to wait and see for that.

When has America done this before?

[Heloin]

Killing a leader of another nation isn’t really asymmetric warfare.

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

You only killed Iran’s second in command...

[Napkizemlja]

Hmm, would this be a chaotic stupid or a chaotic evil act?

In all seriousness... crap. That's an act of war. Things are HAPPENING again.

Yeah well then maybe Iran shouldn't have been orchestrating and sanctioning attacks on American personnel.

[Totally Not OEP]

American hostages inside Iran in 1979; hence why I said Carter lol. As for Russia, my point was exactly that, they super-escalated while we usually act in proportion.

There weren't American hostages in the embassy today though.

You're being deliberately obtuse here, as I was establishing the history that got us here. If you wanna play games, do kindly recall how we got to this point:

Several American troops wounded and a US contractor killed in rocket attack on Kirkuk base

[Napkizemlja]

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

You only killed Iran’s second in command...

So?

[Novus America]

That is not starting an open war with them, because they cannot respond with open conventional warfare.

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

Except it is not clear we openly did. We have not admitted to it that I have heard.
And they cannot respond with open conventional attacks.

[Ifreann]

If a land war starts in Iran because of this then America started it.

...except they killed an American first, which started this whole thing. This is equal to someone throw a spitball at another person and then acting like the victim when retaliation comes.

Yeah, some merc getting killed was the first instance of conflict between America and Iran.

[Totally Not OEP]

No it's not, we've done this before several times. It's only a war if they make it one and we'll have to wait and see for that.

When has America done this before?

Guatemala 1954, Iran 1953, South Vietnam 1963, etc

[Kowani]

Killing a leader of another nation isn’t really asymmetric warfare.

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

Can’t be a proxy force, the Pentagon is openly admitting to it.

[Totally Not OEP]

...except they killed an American first, which started this whole thing. This is equal to someone throw a spitball at another person and then acting like the victim when retaliation comes.

Yeah, some merc getting killed was the first instance of conflict between America and Iran.

An American citizen was killed and several soldiers were wounded.

[Greed and Death]

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

You only killed Iran’s second in command...

Iran's second in command in Iraq.

[Heloin]

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

Except it is not clear we openly did. We have not admitted to it.
And they cannot respond with open conventional attacks.

Except America has https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50979463

[Zurkerx]

It's starting an open war because you openly killed a high ranking member of their government.

Except it is not clear we openly did. We have not admitted to it.
And they cannot respond with open conventional attacks.

Actually, about that...

Trump ordered strike that killed Iranian Gen. Qassim Soleimani, according to the Pentagon.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Lmfao amazing

[Novus America]

He was not the leader of the whole country, he was the leader of the asymmetric warfare branch. Who was assassinated. We assassinated an assassin. And how he was killed is not 100% clear. Some reports say it was ground launched rockets, possibly by a proxy force.

It is not like we bombed the Ayatollahs’ palaces or something.

Can’t be a proxy force, the Pentagon is openly admitting to it.

Oh well. I concede you are right. I think that was a mistake.
Still their ability to respond is limited.

[Galloism]

No it's not, we've done this before several times. It's only a war if they make it one and we'll have to wait and see for that.

When has America done this before?

I can't recall assassinating an official off the top of my head, but we kidnapped Noriega.