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by The Liberated Territories » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:50 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Trump's not a fascist, he has no ideology to speak of, he has a few dispositions, but dispositions don't make a worldview. He is supremely prone to being influenced.
Basically Trump is just a rich boomer who thinks the rest of the world needs to respect America's authoritah. He doesn't have any concrete ideas, which leaves him open to influence from evangelicals, esoteric nationalists, etc. Pence and Bannon are two examples of this.
by Genivaria » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:04 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Trump's not a fascist, he has no ideology to speak of, he has a few dispositions, but dispositions don't make a worldview. He is supremely prone to being influenced.
by The Liberated Territories » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:07 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:07 pm
by Byzconia » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:40 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Byzconia wrote:You...do understand that hyperbole is a thing, right? You didn't think those were meant to be actual estimates, did you?
[Citation needed]
A citation for your viewing pleasure.
by Page » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:14 am
Genivaria wrote:Question. What the threads general thought on a free movement treaty between select nations of the Americas similar to what the EU has?
I generally think that freedom of movement would be a fantastic economic boom but the economic situation in American countries is very different from most European countries so it would have to be very careful.
by Cekoviu » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:33 am
Genivaria wrote:Question. What the threads general thought on a free movement treaty between select nations of the Americas similar to what the EU has?
I generally think that freedom of movement would be a fantastic economic boom but the economic situation in American countries is very different from most European countries so it would have to be very careful.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:34 am
Page wrote:Genivaria wrote:Question. What the threads general thought on a free movement treaty between select nations of the Americas similar to what the EU has?
I generally think that freedom of movement would be a fantastic economic boom but the economic situation in American countries is very different from most European countries so it would have to be very careful.
I support open borders worldwide but unless capitalism is dismantled and workers of the world unionize, such a policy will only facilitate further economic exploitation.
by Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:46 pm
Byzconia wrote:Chernoslavia wrote:I mean his source has homophobia lumped in with sexism. He acts like this articles definition of fascism is absolute.
The two often go hand-in-hand, along with other forms of bigotry like racism (if one is willing to accept that a certain group of people is superior/preferable to others by birth, it stands to reason they'll be accepting of the idea in regards to other groups as well). And the problem with defining Fascism as an ideology is that it explicitly has no set beliefs. Mussolini himself advocated for political opportunism in The Doctrine of Fascism and basically said that Fascists should lie about what they believe until they're actually in office. There's also a night-and-day stark difference between the contents of the Fascist Manifesto and the practice of Italian Fascism (so much so that they're almost complete opposites in most regards). I personally support Umberto Eco's definition laid out in Ur-Fascism, since he tries to base it on common traits of European fascist movements rather than a set "ideal" of what constitutes "fascism." That said, the fact that there are so many different definitions on that one page should give you some idea of the trouble political scientists and historians face of trying to categorize fascism.And citation on this
Huh, I couldn't find one. I must've been wrong, I guess it was probably a hold-over from my Marxist days that I never had cause to reevaluate until now. As you were.and how does it mean that I support fascism.
For the record, I never said you were a fascist/supported fascism. I don't know enough about you to make such a claim.
by Chernoslavia » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:51 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:58 pm
Albrenia wrote:Social media giving everyone a public voice is mostly responsible for the constant misuse of terms like 'fascism', 'marxist' and the like, imho.
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:02 pm
Albrenia wrote:Trump's outlook does seem to have a lot of the hallmarks of fascism, but I don't think he is a fascist.
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by Cappuccina » Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:57 pm
Genivaria wrote:Question. What the threads general thought on a free movement treaty between select nations of the Americas similar to what the EU has?
I generally think that freedom of movement would be a fantastic economic boom but the economic situation in American countries is very different from most European countries so it would have to be very careful.
by Pasong Tirad » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:17 pm
Page wrote:Genivaria wrote:Question. What the threads general thought on a free movement treaty between select nations of the Americas similar to what the EU has?
I generally think that freedom of movement would be a fantastic economic boom but the economic situation in American countries is very different from most European countries so it would have to be very careful.
I support open borders worldwide but unless capitalism is dismantled and workers of the world unionize, such a policy will only facilitate further economic exploitation.
by Happpy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:45 am
Beire wrote:Trump is not ideologically a fascist. The misuse of this word is problematic as it undermines the severity of actual fascism and fascism's noisome legacy.
Liberalism, be it social democracy, neoliberalism or whatever, has always relied upon or enjoyed the support of fascist movements. Trump is no exception to this.
f there is a threat to the wealth and power of the bourgeoisie, the liberals will ultimately side with the fascists as Trump does (or at least they will make perfunctory claims about fascist extremism), due to the fact that fascism is a means to preserve capitalism.
A lot of the bad things Trump and his government have done existed or were even worse pre-Trump.
The main difference is that, with the rise of populism and Trumpian rhetoric, fascist movements have been emboldened. They were always there, but they are just more prominent now.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:01 am
by Happpy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:01 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Happpy wrote:Then you have no idea what fascism is.
Quite the contrary people who just throw the word around to describe anything and anyone they don't like have no idea what it is. Trump is in no way a fascist, and if he really is then fascism isn't exactly a spooky specter that people need to be worried about lol.
by Philjia » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:10 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Happpy wrote:Then you have no idea what fascism is.
Quite the contrary people who just throw the word around to describe anything and anyone they don't like have no idea what it is. Trump is in no way a fascist, and if he really is then fascism isn't exactly a spooky specter that people need to be worried about lol.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 am
Happpy wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Quite the contrary people who just throw the word around to describe anything and anyone they don't like have no idea what it is. Trump is in no way a fascist, and if he really is then fascism isn't exactly a spooky specter that people need to be worried about lol.
Given that you are a 'third positionist' I don't think you would be neutral in regards to discussing anything related to fascism. Much like how commies are always biased towards their own totalitarian regimes, fashies will always defend 'daddy hitler and 'papa pinochet'
Except your a crypto, so you always defend fascism while denying that you're a fashie. Lol
"Trumpf isn't a fascist"
"btw fascism is nothing to be worried about"
lmao
Philjia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Quite the contrary people who just throw the word around to describe anything and anyone they don't like have no idea what it is. Trump is in no way a fascist, and if he really is then fascism isn't exactly a spooky specter that people need to be worried about lol.
Tell that to his victims.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:19 am
by Proctopeo » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:20 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Calling Trump a fascist implies that he is loyal to principles.
by Northern Davincia » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:21 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Page wrote:
I support open borders worldwide but unless capitalism is dismantled and workers of the world unionize, such a policy will only facilitate further economic exploitation.
^ A border is implicitly violent because violence is required to maintain it - violence against both people and nature. All socialists should work towards a future without borders.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by North German Realm » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:22 am
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