NSWiki.org - successor to NSWiki.net

[Darkmania]

Im sorry for this bumbing.


But i still cant (as of typing) log into NSWiki

[Aldia]

Again, sorry for bumping this up, but I too still can't login as of typing this post.

[Darkmania]

Still cant log in as of typing

[Darkmania]

OK. I know its a bit spamish of me to make a new post on this thread this soon since my last post here, but I am starting to get angry.


My last edit there was 25th of July and what I want is to finally be able to log in and continue with my worldbuilding of political parties inside Darkmania. I don't know how long it has been since this bug/glitch/thingy, but its nothing but radio silence and I am starting to be annoyed that this hasn't been fixed yet. Its been like what, almost a month since you mods notified the Admin on this site. I still cant log in as of typing. My simple question is have the Admins of NSWikia been notified of the issue regarding the login of many nations?

[Frisbeeteria]

Its been like what, almost a month since you mods notified the Admin on this site.

We fixed the problem on the NS authentication side, if that's what NSwiki uses. I have no idea who the NSwiki admins are, and have made no attempt to contact them.

I am starting to get angry.

Figure out who you're getting angry with first. NS mods have nothing to do with this site.

[Darkmania]

Its been like what, almost a month since you mods notified the Admin on this site.

We fixed the problem on the NS authentication side, if that's what NSwiki uses. I have no idea who the NSwiki admins are, and have made no attempt to contact them.

Has any mods contacted the admins?

Because i still has this issue.

I am starting to get angry.

Figure out who you're getting angry with first. NS mods have nothing to do with this site.

My anger is aimed at the issue not being fixed (as i cant log into NSWikia)

[East Malaysia]

The most likely person to ask is Eluvatar, the person who keeps the site running, but at this point I'm not sure if he watches this thread, so I wired him a TG in hopes he can help us. Todd McCloud nor Omigodtheykilledkenny have the technical side of how the Login with NationStates works and when the last outage happened I know Todd didn't have any way to try to fix it.

[Todd McCloud]

Its been like what, almost a month since you mods notified the Admin on this site.

We fixed the problem on the NS authentication side, if that's what NSwiki uses. I have no idea who the NSwiki admins are, and have made no attempt to contact them.

I am starting to get angry.

Figure out who you're getting angry with first. NS mods have nothing to do with this site.

Here are the list of administrators. Though, administrator is kind of an overused word - I believe administrators are moderators, or at least they act in that capacity. As far as I know, we fix links, prune pages, and occasionally boot bad users. I say "we" because, as you can see with that list, there are six at current. Though, that's not actually true. Afforess is the former owner of the site who is now DOS, and Jenlom hasn't been active on there since 2014 (and recently CTE). NS-BOT is some kind of slapped together bot that was used by Afforess to populate bot-made pages that aren't very popular. So, really, it's myself, Kenny, and Elu, though Elu I believe owns the site. He hosts it, and he is responsible for when the site gets fixed. I don't know Kenny's story, but I know he was an sysop from when Goob owned the site in its first iteration. Note: this also includes the mirror archive.nswiki.org site. Kenny and I generally clean pages up. You know what that's like, you were a former sysop from the first iteration, which is the role Kenny and I currently have.

The site is mostly operational, but sometimes it goes offline. I'm not going to come down on Elu here, I really do believe he does a good job and I really do believe he is a very busy person. I think when it comes to this site, however, there is something that needs to change.

As the first iteration was owned by a game moderator, and it is now owned by a game administrator using the wordage and lingo of the main site, I consider it an extension of Nationstates itself. Perhaps that's a naive approach, but I have yet to be officially told otherwise. Ask site admins or moderators, and you will obtain a wealth of responses, the majority of which is some kind of "I'm not sure" sentiment. However, there have been times I have come to the NS mods with legitimate problems on the site, especially in the days of IRC, and I received advice on what to do and, one time, I was admonished for acting too quickly to ban a user that had put illegal content on the site. So, I will consult unless I am told otherwise. Yet I really do believe this "gray area" is what's harming the site at its core. It's not an independent entity, yet it's also apparently not an extension of NS either? What's the actual deal?

The site very well could become an extension of NS itself, especially as wikis just make a lot of sense when it comes to a site that caters to in-character diplomacy and the events that follow. One also cannot avoid the amount of history associated with this site when it comes to NSwiki. It is entwined in the history of the game, all things aside, and one can't avoid it's importance. When a new player asked about X region or Y nation, they were pointed to that site. This was before the advent of dispatches, before the improved interactions that were fostered by discord, heck, it was before our transition from jolt. It's concept is older than NS having it's own damn forums. It's older than commends & condemns, it's older than influence. It's just been there.

I think it would be a good idea to keep it going. If not, then I have a suggestion: merge it with another wiki, like IIwiki, or work with another wiki to create one large one that is appropriately staffed and has all these bugs fixed. Simply transplant the templates and the pages and redirect to the newer wiki, provided they are amicable with it. I can't speak for Kenny, but that would be my suggestion. Cause as it stands now, I'm really only good at keeping a watch on things, cleaning up pages, and occasionally booting a bad user. I don't have the acumen to handle the technical aspect. Elu's kind of my only resource, and he's the guy I notify when the site has a technical problem.

In a nutshell, that's it. I don't know where the site stands, where it exists between here and NS, and what the future holds. I know with Elu hosting it, I don't need to worry about it getting deleted, but the site needs updated to the latest wiki features, it needs attention, and it needs an actual explanation. That's it.

[A m e n r i a]

The login from NS feature doesn't work for me. It says my nation doesn't exist.

[Britonisea]

Same for me. I notice some people can access NSWiki.org and seem to be actively editing but I am sure the majority of us can't.

[Tropico]

The login from NS feature doesn't work for me. It says my nation doesn't exist.

Same. I'm just getting: "No Nationstates Nation named Tropico."

[Llorens]

I've tried telegramming Eluvatar a couple of times over the last ~2 months with not even a reply. My region is basically reliant on NSWiki for its archiving of things like election results and using it as a centralised hub of information, and while I was able to edit via mobile Safari till a week ago, that's suddenly stopped working as well (it was initially just desktop Chrome and Edge for me).

Didn't realise this thread was a thing till now, and just wanted to put it out there that it's fairly infuriating that I haven't had the courtesy of even a simple reply saying 'we are trying to fix it' during this entire time. I get that Eluvatar probably has a lot on their plate, but seriously this problem has endured for months.

Alternatively, does anyone know a platform or browser in which it still works? My obsessively organising mind is going crazy seeing my regional archiving growing increasingly outdated beyond my control.

[Minoa]

Alternatively, does anyone know a platform or browser in which it still works? My obsessively organising mind is going crazy seeing my regional archiving growing increasingly outdated beyond my control.

The problem on NSwiki affects all browsers. The inability to log in is down to a change in the NationStates API.

[Llorens]

Alternatively, does anyone know a platform or browser in which it still works? My obsessively organising mind is going crazy seeing my regional archiving growing increasingly outdated beyond my control.

The problem on NSwiki affects all browsers. The inability to log in is down to a change in the NationStates API.

Thanks, that makes sense. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon!

[[violet]]

The problem on NSwiki affects all browsers. The inability to log in is down to a change in the NationStates API.

What change is that? I don't see anything related.

[Minoa]

The problem on NSwiki affects all browsers. The inability to log in is down to a change in the NationStates API.

What change is that? I don't see anything related.

I am sorry if I have slipped up there.

[Torisakia]

The problem on NSwiki affects all browsers. The inability to log in is down to a change in the NationStates API.

What change is that? I don't see anything related.

Fris mentioned here that they had been having issues with sync nations to forum accounts and that they guessed both systems used a variant of our API authentication system. That apparently had nothing to do with it as the problem has been solved according to Fris and the issue on NSWiki still continues.

[[violet]]

Oh, I see.

I traced the problem to an interruption on the NS++ service and will discuss with Eluvatar to diagnose further.

[[violet]]

Any improvement?

[Todd McCloud]

Things are working on my end. I've started to let those who TG'd me know to give it a try.

Is this a temporary fix, or something that will be long lasting? I believe trust in the wiki site has been damaged after the downtimes we've been through.

[Britonisea]

AHHHH! It works for me - quick update all the articles before it doesn't work again!!!

No really, it's working. Thanks to whoever made it work! Dying for it to

[Darkmania]

AHHHH! It works for me - quick update all the articles before it doesn't work again!!!

No really, it's working. Thanks to whoever made it work! Dying for it to

Not for me.

Its stuck in the "Login Accepted..." screen for me

[Torisakia]

Any improvement?

Me and many others are able to login now. Thanks for the quick response!

[[violet]]

Oh good!

I only figured out enough to restart an NS++ service that seemed to be down.

On my browser, at least, the section of the NSWiki login page where it tries to embed a page from NS doesn't work properly, always showing the "Uh-oh" screen even when I'm logged in. This might just be my browser privacy settings, but it would probably be helpful to edit the NSWiki page to also contain a clickable link to https://www.nationstates.net/page=verify_login , which is where the code is, in case people like me need to look it up manually.

[Minoa]

I would like to ask about the future of NS-BOT. There is a great deal of bot-created articles of regions that are “devoid of any nations”.