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MGTOW in Your Nation?

Postby Haktiva » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:32 pm

What's your nation's position in Men Going Their Own Way(or MGTOW)?

Haktiva is considered full of MGTOWs by other nations since Haktivan men are often unresponsive to advances from either sex, especially those from other countries. In reality, Haktivans don't particularly care about gender nor do they focus on courtship due to the delayed aging process most Haktivan's have as well as de jure and de facto indifference to gender politics. Feminism is largely unknown for much the same reason.
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Cosmopolitan Empire
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Postby Cosmopolitan Empire » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:49 pm

Participation in the movement is a capital offense. Not wanting to date is one thing, Whining about how women are not organizing their lives around submitting to you should not be tolerated by any civilized people.
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Postby Anollasia » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:53 pm

''MGTOW'' are uncommon.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:54 pm

What's your nation's position in Men Going Their Own Way(or MGTOW)?

*At the Cultural Liaison's Office*

"What's this stuff we're being asked about now? 'Men.' Isn't that some type of biological?" The Decepticon at the PC turns around with a quizzical look, his red eyes glowing dimly.

"Whenever some biological bothers mentioning 'men,' 'women,' 'boys,' 'girls,' or 'gender,' you can bet that they're on about how weirded out they are that their species comes in two forms and that somebody's being stupid about it..." The other robot groans. "Access the ForIntel Database and see for yourself..."

*They look it up. Sure enough, it's humans being stupid about gender. This time, apparently it is a bunch of chauvinistic dudes that just want one-night-stands and are coming up with a new lame excuse for that.*

OFFICIAL RESPONSE


Humans are altogether too hung up about sex and gender. We find this "movement," like all other such movements, to be stupid. We also condemn the obvious transparency of this attempt to hide a desire to have a string of one-night-stands instead of a relationship. They should just say they're not ready for commitment and be done with it. Also, their excuse is liable to scare away potential mates and leave them frustrated.

We must note that biologicals, especially humans, are pathologically messed up about the fact that the species has two design specifications that are supposed to work together. We'd think you would have gotten used to gender dimorphism after the million years or so that the current Human Design Specs have been in existence. What the heck is wrong with your species, anyway?! It's like you wish you were one-gendered microbes or something!

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The Kangaroo Republic
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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:01 pm

This movement is unpopular and largely unheard of in the Kangaroo Republic. Most macropodine males don't feel any specific pressure or social expectations directed on them by women. Since most people who do seem to ascribe to the term harbour a deep hostility and/or profound distrust towards feminists and women in general, the whole idea seems laughable to the average Macropodine ear.

Victorious Decepticons wrote:OFFICIAL RESPONSE

Humans are altogether too hung up about sex and gender. We find this "movement," like all other such movements, to be stupid. We also condemn the obvious transparency of this attempt to hide a desire to have a string of one-night-stands instead of a relationship. They should just say they're not ready for commitment and be done with it. Also, their excuse is liable to scare away potential mates and leave them frustrated.

We must note that biologicals, especially humans, are pathologically messed up about the fact that the species has two design specifications that are supposed to work together. We'd think you would have gotten used to gender dimorphism after the million years or so that the current Human Design Specs have been in existence. What the heck is wrong with your species, anyway?! It's like you wish you were one-gendered microbes or something!

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Postby Carcorodine » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:04 pm

The few who are aware of its existence usually see it as a gender-flipped equivalent to political lesbianism, except without the homosexuality because there is a bizarrely strong fear of male homosexuality in many foreign (specifically human) societies. It is not seen as a positive force on society, but it is also not particularly harmful to anything except the MGTOW's family line. A few proponents of eugenics have stated that the MGTOW movement is useful as it 'discourages inferior males from procreating', with similar statements also made about political lesbianism and/or female separatism.

Similarities to the Tribal Kindred, where the sexes are separate, males in packs and females (and pre-adolescent offspring) in clans, except three times in the year when the females are 'in heat' and fertile, whereupon the male pack comes and impregnate them in exchange for custody over all male children currently living with the female clan. Both MGTOW and Tribal Kindred appear to reject long-term romantic relations as well, though likely for different reasons.
Key differences are a) the dominance of (male AND female) homosexuality in Tribal Kindred, b) the legitimate shooting-each-other wars that arise between male packs and female clans, and c) Tribal separation of the sexes being very mainstream (in Tribal culture).

Personal reactions the MGTOW movement are usually negative but in a very amused way.
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Postby Siaos » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:08 pm

Cosmopolitan Empire wrote:Participation in the movement is a capital offense. Not wanting to date is one thing, Whining about how women are not organizing their lives around submitting to you should not be tolerated by any civilized people.

You're not really very Cosmopolitan then are you?

This philosophy can be found in Siaos, but it isn't common and they usually don't use the overly long acronym.
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Postby The God-Emperors Terran Empire » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:12 pm

Suffice it to say that such people aren't tolerated in a society that vehemently believes in the sanctity of marriage; and they're banned for life when ('When', because it's only a matter of time...) their practices are found out!

PS
I know this isn't thread-related, but the title confused me for a second...
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Postby Mariano » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:14 pm

We don't have MGTOW. Our sex ratio is 1 man to 3 women, so we are about 25% male and 75% female. Because of this massive shortage of men, all women pay very close attention to their appearances and behavior esp. in front of men and are known around the region for being very submissive and seductive.
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Postby Haktiva » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:16 pm

Victorious Decepticons wrote:OFFICIAL RESPONSE[/b]

Humans are altogether too hung up about sex and gender. We find this "movement," like all other such movements, to be stupid. We also condemn the obvious transparency of this attempt to hide a desire to have a string of one-night-stands instead of a relationship. They should just say they're not ready for commitment and be done with it. Also, their excuse is liable to scare away potential mates and leave them frustrated.

We must note that biologicals, especially humans, are pathologically messed up about the fact that the species has two design specifications that are supposed to work together. We'd think you would have gotten used to gender dimorphism after the million years or so that the current Human Design Specs have been in existence. What the heck is wrong with your species, anyway?! It's like you wish you were one-gendered microbes or something!

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Postby Haktiva » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:19 pm

The God-Emperors Terran Empire wrote:Suffice it to say that such people aren't tolerated in a society that vehemently believes in the sanctity of marriage; and they're banned for life when ('When', because it's only a matter of time...) their practices are found out!

PS
I know this isn't thread-related, but the title confused me for a second...
To me, "MGTOW" is a type of full-automatic SAM installation!

Massive Gravitational Terrestrial Obliteration Weapon?
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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:21 pm

Haktiva wrote:
The God-Emperors Terran Empire wrote:Suffice it to say that such people aren't tolerated in a society that vehemently believes in the sanctity of marriage; and they're banned for life when ('When', because it's only a matter of time...) their practices are found out!

PS
I know this isn't thread-related, but the title confused me for a second...
To me, "MGTOW" is a type of full-automatic SAM installation!

Massive Gravitational Terrestrial Testicular Obliteration Weapon?

Better.
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Postby Haktiva » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:22 pm

The Kangaroo Republic wrote:
Haktiva wrote:Massive Gravitational Terrestrial Testicular Obliteration Weapon?

Better.

Reminds me of karate class :p
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"Personal freedom is a double edged sword though. On the one end, it grants more power to the individual. However, the vast majority of individuals are fuckin idiots, and if certain restraints are not metered down by more responsible members of society, the society quickly degrades into a hedonistic and psychotic cluster fuck."

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Postby The God-Emperors Terran Empire » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:24 pm

Haktiva wrote:
The God-Emperors Terran Empire wrote:Suffice it to say that such people aren't tolerated in a society that vehemently believes in the sanctity of marriage; and they're banned for life when ('When', because it's only a matter of time...) their practices are found out!

PS
I know this isn't thread-related, but the title confused me for a second...
To me, "MGTOW" is a type of full-automatic SAM installation!

Massive Gravitational Terrestrial Obliteration Weapon?


For FT, it actually means something like that! It stands for MIR (MIRV without the 'V' part, not the Russian space station!) Ground-To-Orbit Weapon.
For MT, it's simply an MG that shoots TOW missiles.
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Postby Ermarian » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:50 pm

There are plenty of citizens of any sexuality in the Empire, including of course male homosexuality and asexuality. Among all (non-asexual) orientations, there are also people who engage in sex without committing to relationships; that's not really a big deal thanks to easily available contraception and disease prevention.

The proportion of heterosexual men who are driven by sexual frustration to become edgy misogynist whiners is virtually nil, though, if that's the intent of the question...
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Postby The Multiversal Species Alliance » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:53 pm

MGTOW's are seen as assholes by most people, including other men.
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Postby Greater Tion » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:02 pm

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MGTOW in Your Nation?

Postby Parhe » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:05 am

What's your nation's position in Men Going Their Own Way(or MGTOW)?

Uh, so I had to look this up and got only a definition from Urban dictionary and this was what it said. "1) MGTOW is basically the statement of self-ownership and saying that only you have the right to decide what your goals in life should be. 2) It is saying that, as a man I will not surrender my will to the social expectations of women and society, because both have become hostile against masculinity."

For the full definition, it isn't really present. The stance in part one separately is tolerated, and even encouraged by many people, across genders, for others, regardless of gender. Although many of the older generation and a considerable minority of the younger feel individuals should have goals set by or at least supporting the government and/or the ones that raised them. The stance in part two, however, it doesn't exist largely. Well, it does in that there are some men and women that may break laws if you consider following the law a social expectation. However, as all genders are held to the same, but very broad and not restricting, social expectations there is no belief that any sex, society, or gender is hostile to others or ideas of masculinity and femininity entirely. Although there are aspects of traditional western masculinity and femininity that are looked down on.
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Postby The God-Emperors Terran Empire » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:26 am

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Oh. You mean... Yeah, we don't have those. That last bit didn't happen.

Interesting concept... But wouldn't such a weapon permanently destabilize the target body? I mean, we're not shy on destroying entire biospheres ourselves; but we try not to cause permanent harm to planets we want to occupy!
And we don't feel the need to hide our super weapons! Who's going to stop us from using them? The Security Council we're always ignoring?
Of course, those super weapons are mostly missile-based...
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Postby The Victorian Empire » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:31 am

We don't even know what that is, but we probably have some.
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Postby Aethrys » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:46 am

As marriage does not exist as an institution regulated or acknowledged by the state, a majority of individuals do not get married, aside from the archaic cultists that subscribe to backwards beliefs from the darker ages of human history, when such pointlessly restrictive practices were commonplace.

The concept of Alimony or partitioning of assets due to romantic spats is considered laughable, and a sign of a backwards justice system in other countries.

In short, a majority of men and women could be said to be "Going their own way" in the PRA.
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Postby Olwe » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:42 am

Due to the nature of Olwean relationships it's possible to be married and have one-night stands on the side, with your wife having full knowledge of this, and witness her not getting upset at all and possibly even asking to join in. The reverse is also true of our female population, who routinely have sex outside the marriage with their husbands' knowledge. Commitment doesn't need to be a prison sentence... you can share your life with someone and still have some fun every once in a while.
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Postby Andocara » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:44 pm

It is unpopular in Andocara, in fact most people don't even mention it. MGTOW, and other movements that are unintellectual and negative by nature get shut down quickly by the cybersphere and it never spreads far enough to reach a great amount of people.
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Postby Maizan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:50 pm

As a modern internet phenomenon. It is small and socially outcast, but then again,so is 3rd Wave and later Feminism.

However, The two largest religions in Maizan have celibate monasticism as a lauded spiritual option for their faithful, so a few thousand men each year dedicate themselves to a life without relations with women, and a majority of them stay true to that.

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