Is it time for the US to split up?

[Vazkin]

With the 2020 election coming up and the political environment as toxic as ever, would the US be better off just splitting up?

If you believe we should split up, how many pieces should the US split up into and why do you think this?

If you do not believe we should split up, why do you think we are better off as a whole?

I am not completely serious about this, I am simply curious on what other people's opinions are. Also sorry if this question has already been asked on another thread.

[Dogmeat]

"Sherman, get the torches."

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Several threads on it already.

IMO it's not possible.

[Cantelo]

There is zero benefit to the West if the US ever split up, and in fact it would leave it a thousand times more vulnerable to threats from China and Russia. The idea that the US should split up because reasons is very...naive and shows zero awareness of geopolitics

[Ethel mermania]

Sure why not, Consent of the governed and all that.

I think a legal method of succession should be added to the constitution. Maybe two elections 5 years apart with a 60 - 40 majority for succession required.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes.

[Nuroblav]

I don't think that will be happening. Speaking as a non-American, I don't really see the point in splitting.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

There is zero benefit to the West if the US ever split up, and in fact it would leave it a thousand times more vulnerable to threats from China and Russia. The idea that the US should split up because reasons is very...naive and shows zero awareness of geopolitics

Indeed, without the United States we wouldn't have anyone to invade Iraq because of "biblical prophecy"!

[Cantelo]

There is zero benefit to the West if the US ever split up, and in fact it would leave it a thousand times more vulnerable to threats from China and Russia. The idea that the US should split up because reasons is very...naive and shows zero awareness of geopolitics

Indeed, without the United States we wouldn't have anyone to invade Iraq because of "biblical prophecy"!

Muh 2004 political joke still make much funny

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Indeed, without the United States we wouldn't have anyone to invade Iraq because of "biblical prophecy"!

Muh 2004 political joke still make much funny

Imagine thinking it's a joke

[Cantelo]

Muh 2004 political joke still make much funny

Imagine thinking it's a joke

Well it certainly wasn’t written as a deadpan statement and it’s clear to see

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Imagine thinking it's a joke

Well it certainly wasn’t written as a deadpan statement and it’s clear to see

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eorge-bush

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I don't think that will be happening. Speaking as a non-American, I don't really see the point in splitting.

We probably aren't going to split, but we do have a really bad partisan divide that isn't going to end well.

[Luziyca]

I don't think that will be happening. Speaking as a non-American, I don't really see the point in splitting.

We probably aren't going to split, but we do have a really bad partisan divide that isn't going to end well.

As a Canadian, you are very much right.

While I do personally want a weaker USA, as it would mean that we won't be as horribly Finlandized as we currently are, I recognize that a weakening of the US, either by splitting up, or by a civil war, or by other factors would almost definitely fuck us over just because we are so interlinked.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

We probably aren't going to split, but we do have a really bad partisan divide that isn't going to end well.

As a Canadian, you are very much right.

While I do personally want a weaker USA, as it would mean that we won't be as horribly Finlandized as we currently are, I recognize that a weakening of the US, either by splitting up, or by a civil war, or by other factors would almost definitely fuck us over just because we are so interlinked.

More reason for the US to split up.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

As a Canadian, you are very much right.

While I do personally want a weaker USA, as it would mean that we won't be as horribly Finlandized as we currently are, I recognize that a weakening of the US, either by splitting up, or by a civil war, or by other factors would almost definitely fuck us over just because we are so interlinked.

More reason for the US to split up.

You have something against Canada?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

More reason for the US to split up.

You have something against Canada?

Who doesn't?

[Heloin]

Time for Canada to annex the southern rebels.

You have something against Canada?

Who doesn't?

Most people.

[Luziyca]

As a Canadian, you are very much right.

While I do personally want a weaker USA, as it would mean that we won't be as horribly Finlandized as we currently are, I recognize that a weakening of the US, either by splitting up, or by a civil war, or by other factors would almost definitely fuck us over just because we are so interlinked.

More reason for the US to split up.

If the USA split up right now, we'd be megafucked, because according to this list, the United States is by far our largest trading partner. If we measure trade with the next largest, the EU, is 5.3 times smaller than that of the United States, and if we exclude the EU, then trade with China is 7.9 times smaller than that of the trade between Canada and the USA.

While sure, a weaker USA would definitely force Canada to find other trade partners, it would fuck us over in the short-term. It'd be much more preferable for Canada to start increasing trade with the EU and China now so when the USA inevitably shits the bed, and either falls into civil war, or splits up, or whatever, Canada won't be as fucked as it'd otherwise be.

And that's not getting into the ramifications for the ordinary people in the States over such a scenario.

[Necroghastia]

Hell no. Certain states need the protection of the federal government to avoid becoming even more of an authoritarian hellscape than they already are (lookin' at you, Bama). If anything the US needs to be bigger, by which I mean that the territories and DC need to be granted full statehood.

[Pacomia]

Although it'd be nice to not be ruled from someplace thousands of miles away, it would be a general negative if the U.S. were to split up- it would destabilise world economy, politics, and just generally everything as a whole. Besides, the states already have enough power to essentially be their own functioning nations. It's not necessary.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

More reason for the US to split up.

If the USA split up right now, we'd be megafucked, because according to this list, the United States is by far our largest trading partner. If we measure trade with the next largest, the EU, is 5.3 times smaller than that of the United States, and if we exclude the EU, then trade with China is 7.9 times smaller than that of the trade between Canada and the USA.

While sure, a weaker USA would definitely force Canada to find other trade partners, it would fuck us over in the short-term. It'd be much more preferable for Canada to start increasing trade with the EU and China now so when the USA inevitably shits the bed, and either falls into civil war, or splits up, or whatever, Canada won't be as fucked as it'd otherwise be.

And that's not getting into the ramifications for the ordinary people in the States over such a scenario.

I would try to emigrate if we fell into civil war. I would try to go to Canada, and I wouldn't be the only one. You'll have a refugee crisis.

[Ard al Islam]

No, screw that. Nation over state. America is one of, if not the best, empire ever(in terms of

you know what? Just ask me in terms of what

). And while it will inevitably fall, that doesn't mean that is a good thing.

[Satuga]

Do you realize the absolute power vacuum that would cause? China and Russia would take this as their chance to make claims on either the broken up US, or other smaller countries. They would basically be allowed to do whatever the hell they want. Not to mention a split up would cause nothing but death, as the split would most definitely be between the two political systems which would then most definitely go to war with one another causing a 2nd civil war, and we know how many people died in the 1st one. So no not a good idea. What's with so many people thinking or saying the US is going/should split up?

[Agend]

There isn't any true reason to split up and even if the United States did it would damage the world economy. For nations that trade with the U.S. and have strong economies it would be in their best interests to prevent the splitting of the U.S.