That would make it club soda, which is carbonated mineral water. Regardless, it isn't the salt that makes it fizzy.
But we digress.
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by Farnhamia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:57 pm
by The New California Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Regardless, it isn't the salt that makes it fizzy.
Farnhamia wrote:But we digress.
Grenartia wrote:But we're getting distracted. Sex and gender are not the same.
by Serrus » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:31 pm
True Refuge wrote:I've only seen xe/xyr used in place of they/their when the user wants to emphasize that they are not assuming anything about the person they're referring to.
The most recent example I've seen that encapsulates this was in Becky Chambers' science fiction novel The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, in which it's used in reference to members of other species so as to not make presumptions about others' ideas of gender systems and biology where "they" isn't sufficiently neutral.
I think the concept translates pretty well to when it's just humans. It's a politer form of gender-neutral language that isn't needed because there aren't many people who find "they" insufficient.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:00 pm
Serrus wrote:True Refuge wrote:I've only seen xe/xyr used in place of they/their when the user wants to emphasize that they are not assuming anything about the person they're referring to.
The most recent example I've seen that encapsulates this was in Becky Chambers' science fiction novel The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, in which it's used in reference to members of other species so as to not make presumptions about others' ideas of gender systems and biology where "they" isn't sufficiently neutral.
I think the concept translates pretty well to when it's just humans. It's a politer form of gender-neutral language that isn't needed because there aren't many people who find "they" insufficient.
I know this has nothing to do with the current linguistical firestorm, but The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet is a really good book, you guys.
Also trans and NB people are valid. Sex =/= gender. I thought this was obvious, but "Science-Man" over here seems to not get it.
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by CivitasDei » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:32 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Serrus wrote:I know this has nothing to do with the current linguistical firestorm, but The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet is a really good book, you guys.
Also trans and NB people are valid. Sex =/= gender. I thought this was obvious, but "Science-Man" over here seems to not get it.
It’s always confusing to me, for some reason, the emphasis some put on the gender denial deal. And by that I mean that someone identifies as the gender of their expression and the gender they feel comfortable with and there’s nothing wrong with that. Why deny them that? I don’t get it. Sometimes a biological man identifies as a transgender woman. Sometimes a person doesn’t identify with the binary. Sometimes that identification is fluid. And I particularly don’t see why that’s wrong.
by Grenartia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:52 pm
Serrus wrote:True Refuge wrote:I've only seen xe/xyr used in place of they/their when the user wants to emphasize that they are not assuming anything about the person they're referring to.
The most recent example I've seen that encapsulates this was in Becky Chambers' science fiction novel The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, in which it's used in reference to members of other species so as to not make presumptions about others' ideas of gender systems and biology where "they" isn't sufficiently neutral.
I think the concept translates pretty well to when it's just humans. It's a politer form of gender-neutral language that isn't needed because there aren't many people who find "they" insufficient.
I know this has nothing to do with the current linguistical firestorm, but The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet is a really good book, you guys.
Also trans and NB people are valid. Sex =/= gender. I thought this was obvious, but "Science-Man" over here seems to not get it.
CivitasDei wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s always confusing to me, for some reason, the emphasis some put on the gender denial deal. And by that I mean that someone identifies as the gender of their expression and the gender they feel comfortable with and there’s nothing wrong with that. Why deny them that? I don’t get it. Sometimes a biological man identifies as a transgender woman. Sometimes a person doesn’t identify with the binary. Sometimes that identification is fluid. And I particularly don’t see why that’s wrong.
People express more reactionary views when they're afraid, this is somewhat established in psychology. I'm unsure to which extent this occurs in the minds of transphobes, but sometimes, it's fear that they're coming after them. Other times, as a former transphobe, I can say that it's genuinely metaphysical skepticism coupled with privilege. The latter is actually more sinister, because often they can be exposed to trans people for years and never change their views. Hell, it took me realizing I was trans to convince myself once and for all that those views were wrong. It takes a great deal of intellectual humility to be wrong about something like this, and most people simply aren't willing to question the manufactured ideology present throughout society.
by Saciu » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:27 pm
by CivitasDei » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:27 pm
Grenartia wrote:Honestly, yeah, I've had a similar experience.
by Grenartia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:38 pm
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:53 am
Cekoviu wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I mean, a lot of people will claim that most of psychology is genetic, the whole "nature/nurture" thing and all that, but I'd say otherwise. Either way, it's clear scientifically that sex and gender are two different things, hence why they are different words.
That's not a very good argument. "Soda" and "pop" are two different words, but that doesn't mean they're different things.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:39 pm
Saciu wrote:What are these juvenile words? Across the pond, in the South of England, we call it carbonated beverages (or fizzy drinks, especially younger people)
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by Saciu » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:40 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:09 pm
Saciu wrote:Nobody's posted in almost a day *gasp*, so I suggest a topic of discussion (which sparked a week-long feud last time someone brought it up):
What do you guys think of the dysphoria debate? Not which side you take, whether you believe you have to have dysphoria or not, but what you think about the debate itself. Whether it's a fun argument that helps educate people about trans issues, or whether it's a silly dispute that serves only to divide and enrage the trans community.
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by Grenartia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:36 pm
Saciu wrote:Nobody's posted in almost a day *gasp*, so I suggest a topic of discussion (which sparked a week-long feud last time someone brought it up):
What do you guys think of the dysphoria debate? Not which side you take, whether you believe you have to have dysphoria or not, but what you think about the debate itself. Whether it's a fun argument that helps educate people about trans issues, or whether it's a silly dispute that serves only to divide and enrage the trans community.
by CivitasDei » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:52 pm
Saciu wrote:Nobody's posted in almost a day *gasp*, so I suggest a topic of discussion (which sparked a week-long feud last time someone brought it up):
What do you guys think of the dysphoria debate? Not which side you take, whether you believe you have to have dysphoria or not, but what you think about the debate itself. Whether it's a fun argument that helps educate people about trans issues, or whether it's a silly dispute that serves only to divide and enrage the trans community.
by Karzenikazin » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:01 pm
by Fahran » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:23 am
Grenartia wrote:I understand why the debate exists, but I really hate that it does exist.
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