TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Vassenor]

Hello. I've came from the World of Science.

Bad news: It's scientifically impossible to change our gender via surgical procedure or injections. There's a certain condition where this can be voided, and it's very slim.

Explanation:
We have 46 chromosomes, 23 are from our mother and 23 from our father. The 23rd pair differ between the 2 genders, this is because no matter what the X or Y chromosomes will be dominate in the body/23rd pair. Even in chromosome or hormone injections the X or Y chromosome will override it.

Sorry to seem rude,

Have a good one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Science says hi.

[Grenartia]

Because non-binary people are valid, and I'm not going to let dismissing our existence in this thread go unchallenged.



Too bad. We exist, we are valid, and whether or not you agree changes neither of those things. Reality is that which does not change when you cease to believe in it.

Not agreeing with an expression does not mean you don't exist, or that I'm challenging your existence. You obviously exist as a human being, unless you've been a post-bot this whole time and we've all been bamboozled.

Ok then, I guess you saying that literally invalidates every time someone has ever said "non-binary people don't exist". Good to know.

You're not being rude, simply ignorant of what the trans community is about. We're very well aware that SRS doesn't literally change our sex, but it does bring those that choose to undergo the procedure peace of mind. Gender is innate to an individual and so is sex, all SRS does is bring one as close to their physical preference as possible. Yay, you can fuck off now.

I kindly will...Have a wonderful fucking day.
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SCIENCE IS SCIENCE
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By the Power of the US constitution don't bother trying to supress the Science

Kid, I've likely forgotten and relearned more science than you've ever been taught. Science isn't some magic thing you can summon on a fucking whim to disappear things you don't like. Science is the single most effective tool humanity has developed to uncover objective truth. And, most importantly:

Science backs up trans people.

[The Rich Port]

Hello. I've came from the World of Science.

Bad news: It's scientifically impossible to change our gender via surgical procedure or injections. There's a certain condition where this can be voided, and it's very slim.

Explanation:
We have 46 chromosomes, 23 are from our mother and 23 from our father. The 23rd pair differ between the 2 genders, this is because no matter what the X or Y chromosomes will be dominate in the body/23rd pair. Even in chromosome or hormone injections the X or Y chromosome will override it.

Sorry to seem rude,

Have a good one!

Man, and they say transgender people have no shame.

Do you not feel shame when you say such ignorant things?

Then again, this is Clown World, where you say something stupid and wrong and you get applauded for it.

Or outright lie. If you were really sorry, you wouldn't have bothered with this asinine post.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Hello. I've came from the World of Science.

Bad news: It's scientifically impossible to change our gender via surgical procedure or injections. There's a certain condition where this can be voided, and it's very slim.

Explanation:
We have 46 chromosomes, 23 are from our mother and 23 from our father. The 23rd pair differ between the 2 genders, this is because no matter what the X or Y chromosomes will be dominate in the body/23rd pair. Even in chromosome or hormone injections the X or Y chromosome will override it.

Sorry to seem rude,

Have a good one!

Gender isn't defined by whether you have an active y chromosome.

[Hediacrana]

Not sure how I feel about people claiming their pronouns are "it/its," considering those are often used demeaningly, especially to trans people.

I mean, I honestly don't know why there's some trans people who prefer it/its, but as long as they're not harming anyone, I'm not gonna police them. I'm not capable of adequately defending that pronoun preference, since it isn't mine, nor do I understand it, so I'll leave that job in more capable hands.

Same, really.

[Cekoviu]

>gets gender and biological sex confused, and even has an overly simplified version of that.

Looks like our science visitor skipped out on the literature review. Less "standing on the shoulder of giants", more "rolling in the sewage of idiocy".

That's an excellent way to sum up arguments for transphobia.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Hello. I've came from the World of Science.

Bad news: It's scientifically impossible to change our gender via surgical procedure or injections. There's a certain condition where this can be voided, and it's very slim.

Explanation:
We have 46 chromosomes, 23 are from our mother and 23 from our father. The 23rd pair differ between the 2 genders, this is because no matter what the X or Y chromosomes will be dominate in the body/23rd pair. Even in chromosome or hormone injections the X or Y chromosome will override it.

Sorry to seem rude,

Have a good one!

Actually, scientifically, that statement is false. Chromosomes are irrelevant to the discussion, given that gender is more psychological than biological.

[Cappuccina]

Hello. I've came from the World of Science.

Bad news: It's scientifically impossible to change our gender via surgical procedure or injections. There's a certain condition where this can be voided, and it's very slim.

Explanation:
We have 46 chromosomes, 23 are from our mother and 23 from our father. The 23rd pair differ between the 2 genders, this is because no matter what the X or Y chromosomes will be dominate in the body/23rd pair. Even in chromosome or hormone injections the X or Y chromosome will override it.

Sorry to seem rude,

Have a good one!

Actually, scientifically, that statement is false. Chromosomes are irrelevant to the discussion, given that gender is more psychological than biological.

Eh......idk about that.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Actually, scientifically, that statement is false. Chromosomes are irrelevant to the discussion, given that gender is more psychological than biological.

Eh......idk about that.

In what way? Seems pretty psychological to me, if you ask me.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Can someone who does feel strongly about their preferred pronouns (whether cis, trans, NB, or other groups I might be forgetting) explain what makes your pronouns important to you?
Gender's never been a huge part of who I am as a person, and it's occasionally difficult for me to remember to use the right pronouns because gender is unimportant to me, and my brain takes this and concludes that it must be unimportant to everyone else too. I want to break that second notion, and understanding what makes gender important seems to be the best way to do that.

Um, I'm a woman and I therefore want to be socially treated as a woman? It's fairly simple.

Hmm. Even though it didn't answer my question, I suppose that's the best answer I could have hoped for. Thank you!

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Actually, scientifically, that statement is false. Chromosomes are irrelevant to the discussion, given that gender is more psychological than biological.

Eh......idk about that.

Sex is physiological and (excluding things like hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery) is determined by chromosomes. Gender is the mental, psychological expression of that, and it doesn't always perfectly line up with sex. That expression may or may not be decided by genetics, AFAIK we don't really know at the moment, but if it is genetic at all, the genes that determine gender are not the same genes that determine sex, and even if they usually align, sometimes they don't.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Eh......idk about that.

Sex is physiological and (excluding things like hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery) is determined by chromosomes. Gender is the mental, psychological expression of that, and it doesn't always perfectly line up with sex. That expression may or may not be decided by genetics, AFAIK we don't really know at the moment, but if it is genetic at all, the genes that determine gender are not the same genes that determine sex, and even if they usually align, sometimes they don't.

I mean, a lot of people will claim that most of psychology is genetic, the whole "nature/nurture" thing and all that, but I'd say otherwise. Either way, it's clear scientifically that sex and gender are two different things, hence why they are different words.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yep, I’m a cis woman although some people have made the assumption that I’m a trans woman before. Probably because of my involvement in trans rights and support.

Also…your sig says “transgendered non-binary Kawaii-Chan.”

Oh that. I put it in my sig to make fun of a poster who wrote that to me thinking I’d be offended. IIRC, I linked to the post in question.

[Cekoviu]

Sex is physiological and (excluding things like hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery) is determined by chromosomes. Gender is the mental, psychological expression of that, and it doesn't always perfectly line up with sex. That expression may or may not be decided by genetics, AFAIK we don't really know at the moment, but if it is genetic at all, the genes that determine gender are not the same genes that determine sex, and even if they usually align, sometimes they don't.

I mean, a lot of people will claim that most of psychology is genetic, the whole "nature/nurture" thing and all that, but I'd say otherwise. Either way, it's clear scientifically that sex and gender are two different things, hence why they are different words.

That's not a very good argument. "Soda" and "pop" are two different words, but that doesn't mean they're different things.

[Necroghastia]

I mean, a lot of people will claim that most of psychology is genetic, the whole "nature/nurture" thing and all that, but I'd say otherwise. Either way, it's clear scientifically that sex and gender are two different things, hence why they are different words.

That's not a very good argument. "Soda" and "pop" are two different words, but that doesn't mean they're different things.

"Sex" and "gender" are not slang, however.

[Cekoviu]

That's not a very good argument. "Soda" and "pop" are two different words, but that doesn't mean they're different things.

"Sex" and "gender" are not slang, however.

Soda and pop aren't really slang, just regional lexical items.

[Saciu]

That's not a very good argument. "Soda" and "pop" are two different words, but that doesn't mean they're different things.

"Sex" and "gender" are not slang, however.

Pavement and sidewalk , then. Or pants and trousers.

[Grenartia]

"Sex" and "gender" are not slang, however.

Pavement and sidewalk , then. Or pants and trousers.

Pants and trousers are the same thing, though.

[Proctopeo]

Pavement and sidewalk , then. Or pants and trousers.

Pants and trousers are the same thing, though.

That was the point, though, refuting the "things are different, that's why they're different words!" point that was made slightly earlier.
Alternatives to "soda" and "pop" as examples of why that point is, well, dumb, were provided by Saciu.

[Saciu]

Pavement and sidewalk , then. Or pants and trousers.

Pants and trousers are the same thing, though.

As Proctopeo said, that's the point. Are pavement and sidewalk not the same?

[Proctopeo]

Pants and trousers are the same thing, though.

As Proctopeo said, that's the point. Are pavement and sidewalk not the same?

I think pavement counts as a hypernym and a slang term for "sidewalk".
So, yes and no.

[Grenartia]

Pants and trousers are the same thing, though.

As Proctopeo said, that's the point. Are pavement and sidewalk not the same?

Proct knows I don't pay attention to him.

Anyways, pavement and sidewalks aren't the same. Pavement can also refer to roads, parking lots, and aircraft runways.

But we're getting distracted. Sex and gender are not the same.

[Jykku]

Soda and pop aren't really slang, just regional lexical items.

Pop is slang, but soda is not, because "soda" comes from the sodium compound that carbonates the water (ie: Club Soda).
The origin of "pop" varies depending on the source -- some say it comes from the "pop" sound of removing a cork from a bottle of soda (back when soda came in glass bottles with corks on them, I assume), though there seems to be an account of "pop" originating from a 19th Century beverage called "ginger pop", which does not appear to contain any sodium carbonation compounds, so your mileage may vary on that.

TL;DR - "Pop" is slang, "Soda" is not, and "soda" is the proper term for carbonated beverages.

[Farnhamia]

Soda and pop aren't really slang, just regional lexical items.

Pop is slang, but soda is not, because "soda" comes from the sodium compound that carbonates the water (ie: Club Soda).
The origin of "pop" varies depending on the source -- some say it comes from the "pop" sound of removing a cork from a bottle of soda (back when soda came in glass bottles with corks on them, I assume), though there seems to be an account of "pop" originating from a beverage called "ginger pop", which does not appear to contain any sodium carbonation compounds, so your mileage may vary on that.

TL;DR - "Pop" is slang, "Soda" is not, and "soda" is the proper term for carbonated beverages.

Carbonated beverages are carbonated by carbon dioxide, not sodium. Wiki sayeth ...

In 1767, Joseph Priestley discovered a method of infusing water with carbon dioxide when he suspended a bowl of water above a beer vat at a local brewery in Leeds, England.[26][27] The air blanketing the fermenting beer—called 'fixed air'—was known to kill mice suspended in it.[citation needed] Priestley found water thus treated had a pleasant taste, and he offered it to friends as a cool, refreshing drink. At that time, as even now, sodium bicarbonate was used in medicines and for making baking powder. Known as 'soda bicarb', it was produced by bubbling carbon-dioxide through a solution of sodium carbonate obtained from the ashes of plants. In 1772, Priestley published a paper titled Impregnating Water with Fixed Air in which he describes dripping "oil of vitriol" (sulfuric acid) onto chalk to produce carbon dioxide gas, and encouraging the gas to dissolve into an agitated bowl of water.[4] Priestley referred to his invention of soda water as being his "happiest" discovery.[28]

Oh, and club soda?

In 1783, Jacob Schweppe, a jeweller and amateur scientist of Geneva, began the commercial production of carbonated mineral water by dissolving the CO2 under pressure.[4] In 1807, Benjamin Silliman, a Yale chemistry professor, began producing carbonated water under pressure and selling it in New Haven, Connecticut. In the 1830s, Anyos Jedlik of Hungary opened a large-scale carbonated water factory. The original trademarked club soda was made by Cantrell & Cochrane of Dublin, Ireland in 1877. The 'club' refers to the Kildare Street Club in Dublin who commissioned them to produce it.[5]

[The New California Republic]

Pop is slang, but soda is not, because "soda" comes from the sodium compound that carbonates the water (ie: Club Soda).
The origin of "pop" varies depending on the source -- some say it comes from the "pop" sound of removing a cork from a bottle of soda (back when soda came in glass bottles with corks on them, I assume), though there seems to be an account of "pop" originating from a beverage called "ginger pop", which does not appear to contain any sodium carbonation compounds, so your mileage may vary on that.

TL;DR - "Pop" is slang, "Soda" is not, and "soda" is the proper term for carbonated beverages.

Carbonated beverages are carbonated by carbon dioxide, not sodium. Wiki sayeth ...

Soda water in the UK has sodium chloride, i.e. salt, in it.