If that is true then why do we make such a big deal about them? They ought to be cut.
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by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:47 pm
by Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:48 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by San Lumen » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:50 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:San Lumen wrote:
If that is true then why do we make such a big deal about them? They ought to be cut.
Again, they lobby harder than most. When they have billions at their disposal, they can buy out small farms and pretend that cutting subsidies will hurt the common farmer. They're masters of advertising.
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:50 pm
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:52 pm
San Lumen wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Again, they lobby harder than most. When they have billions at their disposal, they can buy out small farms and pretend that cutting subsidies will hurt the common farmer. They're masters of advertising.
But don't common farmers know they arent getting any money from them?
by Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:52 pm
San Lumen wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Again, they lobby harder than most. When they have billions at their disposal, they can buy out small farms and pretend that cutting subsidies will hurt the common farmer. They're masters of advertising.
But don't common farmers know they arent getting any money from them?
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by San Lumen » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:54 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:54 pm
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:59 pm
by Gormwood » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:03 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:San Lumen wrote:At this point they will call any Democrat a socialist its their new favorite word. Yet there are many programs today that are socialism such as medicare, medicaid, social security and food stamps. I wonder how many in red states would support getting rid of those because they hate socialism so much
Yes, we should get rid of all those things.
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:08 pm
San Lumen wrote:Gormwood wrote:The Republicans fantasize that the American public has been fnorded to the word "socialist" and immediately visualize Josef Stalin every time they hear it.
At this point they will call any Democrat a socialist its their new favorite word. Yet there are many programs today that are socialism such as medicare, medicaid, social security and food stamps. I wonder how many in red states would support getting rid of those because they hate socialism so much
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:10 pm
Telconi wrote:San Lumen wrote:At this point they will call any Democrat a socialist its their new favorite word. Yet there are many programs today that are socialism such as medicare, medicaid, social security and food stamps. I wonder how many in red states would support getting rid of those because they hate socialism so much
None of these things are socialism...
by Northern Davincia » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:14 pm
San Lumen wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:They get the leftovers. That's the insidious genius of it, the corporations leave some behind for small farmers to justify their own leeching.
Im not following. The corporate farms give some of the money to common farmers or the common farmer gets some of the money from the government?
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:19 pm
by Gormwood » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:22 pm
by San Lumen » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:23 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:San Lumen wrote:Im not following. The corporate farms give some of the money to common farmers or the common farmer gets some of the money from the government?
The government gives most of the money to corporate farms and token amounts to small farms.Gormwood wrote:Aside from the "Got Mine, Fuck You" vibes, eliminating social programs won't even make a dent in the debt like reducing say, military spending will.
Sure it would. Military spending only occupies the majority of discretionary spending.
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:30 pm
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:45 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:46 pm
by Telconi » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:52 pm
by Gormwood » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:54 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:54 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:57 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:58 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
I could ask you to tell me how social programs aren't socialism. But you'd bullshit and lie. So I'm gonna stick with me loving you.
I will though. Social programs aren't socialism because they have nothing to do with the means of production or who controls them or how they're controlled.
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