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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:33 am

Mr Dale Gribble wrote:https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/
Here. Go ahead. Prove Miami wrong.


So you have one poll. One. And an article that says not to use just one poll.

That said, Moody’s says it “hesitate[s] to hang its hat” on a single model. And the election could come down to who shows up. If nonincumbent turnout is especially strong, says the organization, Democrats could win.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:37 am

Mr Dale Gribble wrote:https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/
Here. Go ahead. Prove Miami wrong.


Moody’s election analytics predicted a Clinton victory.

The great things about polls? They can change on a moments notice.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:00 pm

Mr Dale Gribble wrote:https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/
Here. Go ahead. Prove Miami wrong.

"There are, of course, plenty of X factors that could come up between now and next November that could change the tide of the election, from impeachment proceedings to whoever the Democrats ultimately choose as their candidate (an issue that still seems undecided after Tuesday’s debate)."

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Mr Dale Gribble wrote:https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/
Here. Go ahead. Prove Miami wrong.

"There are, of course, plenty of X factors that could come up between now and next November that could change the tide of the election, from impeachment proceedings to whoever the Democrats ultimately choose as their candidate (an issue that still seems undecided after Tuesday’s debate)."

You really should read things you throw in people's faces.


What do you mean a poll from mid October isn't really representative at the end of November when a whole host of stuff has changed?
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:59 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I might be missing something, but isn't the whole premise of the discussion that Trump is entirely out of the running before it even starts?

By most Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers you are correct as you all wish so. President Trump should be and probably is beating Sanders and Warren as well. As I have predicted, Independent voters especially in the battleground states will help reelect President Trump during the 2020 US Presidential elections.


Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:23 pm



Not a bad move. Afterall, no genocide occured. Uncle Sam said so :^)

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:34 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:By most Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers you are correct as you all wish so. President Trump should be and probably is beating Sanders and Warren as well. As I have predicted, Independent voters especially in the battleground states will help reelect President Trump during the 2020 US Presidential elections.


Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.

Salandriagado, I proudly post all my posts and views on President Trump and all issues. I understand the discussions just as good as you or anyone else on nation states. You are clearly not respecting my rights to my views and my rights to post them. I don't tell you or any fellow nations persons:

Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.
Because I don't agree with them on President Trump or any issues.
I respect your right to your views on President Trump or any issues.

Thanks for your posts.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:42 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:By most Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers you are correct as you all wish so. President Trump should be and probably is beating Sanders and Warren as well. As I have predicted, Independent voters especially in the battleground states will help reelect President Trump during the 2020 US Presidential elections.


Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.


That is excellent advice. Would that you might follow your own advice when pontificating on matters outside mathematics!

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:39 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.

Salandriagado, I proudly post all my posts and views on President Trump and all issues. I understand the discussions just as good as you or anyone else on nation states. You are clearly not respecting my rights to my views and my rights to post them. I don't tell you or any fellow nations persons:

Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.
Because I don't agree with them on President Trump or any issues.
I respect your right to your views on President Trump or any issues.

Thanks for your posts.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto


You misunderstand, again. I am not saying that you do not understand the substantive issues underlying the argument - though I find it very probable that you do not - I am saying that you literally do not understand the sentences of the posts that you are responding to.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:46 pm

Don McGahn must testify about time as White House lawyer, judge rules.

The decision is expected to put pressure on other reluctant witnesses to testify, but it may not shift the timing of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. The ruling is suspected to be appealed by the DOJ, who represents McGahn. It was obviously expected although given this Administration, they'll fight to the bitter end.

Also, the U.S. Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Release Of Trump's Tax Records until Trump's legal team files a petition (which he must do by the 5th of December, and will likely happen) for the full court to debate whether to take it up. Hmm, this seems like it has a good chance it'll be taken up although, I feel the Court would like to decide before 2020 since that's an election year and deciding on Trump's Tax Returns might be too political. After all, Roberts, who leans conservative, does want to preserve the integrity of the court as a non-political branch to the best of his ability.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:57 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Don McGahn must testify about time as White House lawyer, judge rules.

The decision is expected to put pressure on other reluctant witnesses to testify, but it may not shift the timing of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. The ruling is suspected to be appealed by the DOJ, who represents McGahn. It was obviously expected although given this Administration, they'll fight to the bitter end.

Also, the U.S. Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Release Of Trump's Tax Records until Trump's legal team files a petition (which he must do by the 5th of December, and will likely happen) for the full court to debate whether to take it up. Hmm, this seems like it has a good chance it'll be taken up although, I feel the Court would like to decide before 2020 since that's an election year and deciding on Trump's Tax Returns might be too political. After all, Roberts, who leans conservative, does want to preserve the integrity of the court as a non-political branch to the best of his ability.

wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:04 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Salandriagado, I proudly post all my posts and views on President Trump and all issues. I understand the discussions just as good as you or anyone else on nation states. You are clearly not respecting my rights to my views and my rights to post them. I don't tell you or any fellow nations persons:

Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself.
Because I don't agree with them on President Trump or any issues.
I respect your right to your views on President Trump or any issues.

Thanks for your posts.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto


You misunderstand, again. I am not saying that you do not understand the substantive issues underlying the argument - though I find it very probable that you do not - I am saying that you literally do not understand the sentences of the posts that you are responding to.

Your Post above is an insult to me or to any person - Don't jump into discussions that you don't understand. You'll just embarrass yourself. and you are still doubling down on your comment above. I am just pointing them out on this post and your previous post to me.

But I am not offended, no offense made, no offense taken.
I have posted before nothing offends me, I learned that the hard way on nation states.
Thanks for your posts. I have moved on from these back and forth s.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Don McGahn must testify about time as White House lawyer, judge rules.

The decision is expected to put pressure on other reluctant witnesses to testify, but it may not shift the timing of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. The ruling is suspected to be appealed by the DOJ, who represents McGahn. It was obviously expected although given this Administration, they'll fight to the bitter end.

Also, the U.S. Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Release Of Trump's Tax Records until Trump's legal team files a petition (which he must do by the 5th of December, and will likely happen) for the full court to debate whether to take it up. Hmm, this seems like it has a good chance it'll be taken up although, I feel the Court would like to decide before 2020 since that's an election year and deciding on Trump's Tax Returns might be too political. After all, Roberts, who leans conservative, does want to preserve the integrity of the court as a non-political branch to the best of his ability.

wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.


It's really a tad silly at this point. The idea that the court exists above politics at this point is pure fiction, and all Roberts would need to do to realize this is look at his fellow justices on the bench.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.


It's really a tad silly at this point. The idea that the court exists above politics at this point is pure fiction, and all Roberts would need to do to realize this is look at his fellow justices on the bench.

The lower US courts and the upper US Supreme Courts can and do make Political related decisions from time to time, even if it is not their intent to do so when they do so. President Trump is correct when he said their are leftist judges. What he did no say is, their are right wing judges as well. Like Brett Kavanaugh on the right and RBG on the left. This is why a majority conservative majority on the lower courts and the US Supreme Court matters. or a leftist majority matters.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Don McGahn must testify about time as White House lawyer, judge rules.

The decision is expected to put pressure on other reluctant witnesses to testify, but it may not shift the timing of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. The ruling is suspected to be appealed by the DOJ, who represents McGahn. It was obviously expected although given this Administration, they'll fight to the bitter end.

Also, the U.S. Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Release Of Trump's Tax Records until Trump's legal team files a petition (which he must do by the 5th of December, and will likely happen) for the full court to debate whether to take it up. Hmm, this seems like it has a good chance it'll be taken up although, I feel the Court would like to decide before 2020 since that's an election year and deciding on Trump's Tax Returns might be too political. After all, Roberts, who leans conservative, does want to preserve the integrity of the court as a non-political branch to the best of his ability.

wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.


Probably the records would reveal that Trump is, shocking, not as rich as he pretends to be.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:36 pm

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.


Probably the records would reveal that Trump is, shocking, not as rich as he pretends to be.

You are probably correct nak :D, but I would not mind being part of his family and getting a piece of the pie $. I tell my Republican Cuban American family and friends Trump supporters, President Trump loves me like family and like a son, they lol and have lol attacks and so do I lol.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:29 pm

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:wanting to preserve the integrity of the court is why I think he would also uphold Congress's ability to compel people to testify. I dont think he wants to be known as the justice who destroyed congressional oversight.


Probably the records would reveal that Trump is, shocking, not as rich as he pretends to be.

Or, conversely, reveal an extensive gold mining excavation on the far side of the moon.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:41 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Probably the records would reveal that Trump is, shocking, not as rich as he pretends to be.

Or, conversely, reveal an extensive gold mining excavation on the far side of the moon.

No wonder President Trump wants the US to return to the moon and then aim for Mars by 2024.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:53 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Probably the records would reveal that Trump is, shocking, not as rich as he pretends to be.

Or, conversely, reveal an extensive gold mining excavation on the far side of the moon.


Which is obviously done in collusion with the russians and the moon nazis from Iron Sky.

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National Enquirer company chief David Pecker talking with New York prosecutors

It's like everyone associated with Trump goes to jail, turns on him, or both.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:02 am

Gormwood wrote:National Enquirer company chief David Pecker talking with New York prosecutors

It's like everyone associated with Trump goes to jail, turns on him, or both.


Politically motivated. I am not saying there aren't reasons that they should be in jail but under other circumstances they wouldn be prosecuted. Weren't it for the political will and inertia behind it.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:03 am

Gormwood wrote:National Enquirer company chief David Pecker talking with New York prosecutors

It's like everyone associated with Trump goes to jail, turns on him, or both.

Finally one site source I don't consider serious the National Enquirer. I consider it like a gossip lol site not a news site.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:04 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gormwood wrote:National Enquirer company chief David Pecker talking with New York prosecutors

It's like everyone associated with Trump goes to jail, turns on him, or both.

Finally one site source I don't consider serious the National Enquirer. I consider it like a gossip lol site not a news site.


Nobody considers its serious. It's absolute loltrash and always has been. Their entire business model is based on that.

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