by Cela » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:02 pm
by Purpelia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:12 pm
Cela wrote:As a relatively active person on the Left on NationStates I've interacted with various leftist regions for the past 5 years or so. Originally under my nation of Dirtcrakia. A worrying trend I've seen in some regions, not naming names, is the apologetic or sympathetic attitudes to the ideology of Juche. The state ideology of North Korea. From what I've come to understand from leftist over the years is that we're generally against nationalism. Yet Juche is extremely nationalist. It's a system akin to Nazi Germany if you remove the leftist iconography and terminology. Just because it's not Western imperialism, does not mean it's something to admire. As Leftist, we shouldn't be supporting something that is contradictory to our core beliefs. And this is not even mentioning the numerous crimes against humanity committed by the Kim family. Can you honestly sit there and say any and all criticism of North Korea is just Western propaganda? Because if you are, why are you any better than right-wing conspiracy nuts that run around calling everything fake news just because they don't like what it says?
by Cela » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:15 pm
Purpelia wrote:Cela wrote:As a relatively active person on the Left on NationStates I've interacted with various leftist regions for the past 5 years or so. Originally under my nation of Dirtcrakia. A worrying trend I've seen in some regions, not naming names, is the apologetic or sympathetic attitudes to the ideology of Juche. The state ideology of North Korea. From what I've come to understand from leftist over the years is that we're generally against nationalism. Yet Juche is extremely nationalist. It's a system akin to Nazi Germany if you remove the leftist iconography and terminology. Just because it's not Western imperialism, does not mean it's something to admire. As Leftist, we shouldn't be supporting something that is contradictory to our core beliefs. And this is not even mentioning the numerous crimes against humanity committed by the Kim family. Can you honestly sit there and say any and all criticism of North Korea is just Western propaganda? Because if you are, why are you any better than right-wing conspiracy nuts that run around calling everything fake news just because they don't like what it says?
One thing you are mistaking is assuming that just because something absolutely positively and undeniably is propaganda that must mean it's not true. Truth is, between the unjust and disgusting sanctions imposed by the west and the reality of them being a fascist feudal monarchy there probably is some truth to those criticisms. But it's also true that they are indeed propaganda.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:51 pm
Purpelia wrote:Cela wrote:As a relatively active person on the Left on NationStates I've interacted with various leftist regions for the past 5 years or so. Originally under my nation of Dirtcrakia. A worrying trend I've seen in some regions, not naming names, is the apologetic or sympathetic attitudes to the ideology of Juche. The state ideology of North Korea. From what I've come to understand from leftist over the years is that we're generally against nationalism. Yet Juche is extremely nationalist. It's a system akin to Nazi Germany if you remove the leftist iconography and terminology. Just because it's not Western imperialism, does not mean it's something to admire. As Leftist, we shouldn't be supporting something that is contradictory to our core beliefs. And this is not even mentioning the numerous crimes against humanity committed by the Kim family. Can you honestly sit there and say any and all criticism of North Korea is just Western propaganda? Because if you are, why are you any better than right-wing conspiracy nuts that run around calling everything fake news just because they don't like what it says?
One thing you are mistaking is assuming that just because something absolutely positively and undeniably is propaganda that must mean it's not true. Truth is, between the unjust and disgusting sanctions imposed by the west and the reality of them being a fascist feudal monarchy there probably is some truth to those criticisms. But it's also true that they are indeed propaganda.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:48 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:53 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:All authoritarianism is a danger. I don't like the current plutocracy that is America but jesus, I don't wanna be in North Korea
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:01 pm
Cela wrote:As a relatively active person on the Left on NationStates I've interacted with various leftist regions for the past 5 years or so. Originally under my nation of Dirtcrakia. A worrying trend I've seen in some regions, not naming names, is the apologetic or sympathetic attitudes to the ideology of Juche. The state ideology of North Korea. From what I've come to understand from leftist over the years is that we're generally against nationalism. Yet Juche is extremely nationalist. It's a system akin to Nazi Germany if you remove the leftist iconography and terminology. Just because it's not Western imperialism, does not mean it's something to admire. As Leftist, we shouldn't be supporting something that is contradictory to our core beliefs. And this is not even mentioning the numerous crimes against humanity committed by the Kim family. Can you honestly sit there and say any and all criticism of North Korea is just Western propaganda? Because if you are, why are you any better than right-wing conspiracy nuts that run around calling everything fake news just because they don't like what it says?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:04 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Cela wrote:As a relatively active person on the Left on NationStates I've interacted with various leftist regions for the past 5 years or so. Originally under my nation of Dirtcrakia. A worrying trend I've seen in some regions, not naming names, is the apologetic or sympathetic attitudes to the ideology of Juche. The state ideology of North Korea. From what I've come to understand from leftist over the years is that we're generally against nationalism. Yet Juche is extremely nationalist. It's a system akin to Nazi Germany if you remove the leftist iconography and terminology. Just because it's not Western imperialism, does not mean it's something to admire. As Leftist, we shouldn't be supporting something that is contradictory to our core beliefs. And this is not even mentioning the numerous crimes against humanity committed by the Kim family. Can you honestly sit there and say any and all criticism of North Korea is just Western propaganda? Because if you are, why are you any better than right-wing conspiracy nuts that run around calling everything fake news just because they don't like what it says?
Also... I haven't met a single American leftist who thinks North Korea is a good thing in any way shape or form unless it's a "Greatest Korea" meme joke.
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:07 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
Also... I haven't met a single American leftist who thinks North Korea is a good thing in any way shape or form unless it's a "Greatest Korea" meme joke.
You can find plenty of them on this very site if you go into large leftist regions that are into raiding and defending. I've encountered some.
by The South Falls » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:12 pm
The Rich Port wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can find plenty of them on this very site if you go into large leftist regions that are into raiding and defending. I've encountered some.
Oh my mistake.
Couple things.
1.) Actually playing the game is for lame nubs. The real game is in General
2.) NationStates is not representative of American politics only.
3.) I find that the RP and raiding community trend towards younger people who can't vote. So, who cares?
What next, you gonna bring up how Juche is also extremely popular in Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft, and Discord Furry servers?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:18 pm
The Rich Port wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can find plenty of them on this very site if you go into large leftist regions that are into raiding and defending. I've encountered some.
Oh my mistake.
Couple things.
1.) Actually playing the game is for lame nubs. The real game is in General
2.) NationStates is not representative of American politics only.
3.) I find that the RP and raiding community trend towards younger people who can't vote. So, who cares?
What next, you gonna bring up how Juche is also extremely popular in Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft, and Discord Furry servers?
by The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:27 pm
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:43 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:48 pm
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:49 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I do remember one poster who brought to my attention the belief that North Korea is actually a paradise and the world works to make it seem awful to stop people from wanting it for themselves. It is of, course, as absurd as people looking at nazi propaganda of concentration camps and taking it at face value
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:51 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:I do remember one poster who brought to my attention the belief that North Korea is actually a paradise and the world works to make it seem awful to stop people from wanting it for themselves. It is of, course, as absurd as people looking at nazi propaganda of concentration camps and taking it at face value
Yeah, Tekro... Tempo... Nippon... Something.
Last I heard he went on trip to North Korea.
... Wonder what happened to him.
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:53 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:54 pm
by Kowani » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:56 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Purpelia wrote:One thing you are mistaking is assuming that just because something absolutely positively and undeniably is propaganda that must mean it's not true. Truth is, between the unjust and disgusting sanctions imposed by the west and the reality of them being a fascist feudal monarchy there probably is some truth to those criticisms. But it's also true that they are indeed propaganda.
Nothing unjust about prohibiting trade with a dictatorship. If anything we should do it more with other countries.
by Mushet » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:58 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:59 pm
Mushet wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Please tell me you're joking
He went, there was some news about some tourist to North Korea causing trouble and getting arrested for it around this time, there was a thread on NSG where people thought it was him but then he swooped in the thread to tell everybody his trip went well and he didn't get arrested. And THEN I never saw him again.
It'd take some really dedicated North Korean lackey to log in to his nation and post that in order to get rid of suspicions though.
by Luziyca » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:00 pm
by Mushet » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Mushet wrote:He went, there was some news about some tourist to North Korea causing trouble and getting arrested for it around this time, there was a thread on NSG where people thought it was him but then he swooped in the thread to tell everybody his trip went well and he didn't get arrested. And THEN I never saw him again.
It'd take some really dedicated North Korean lackey to log in to his nation and post that in order to get rid of suspicions though.
I wouldn't be surprised if some NK hacker was tasked with the job of getting his NS profile to say he's ok
by The Rich Port » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 pm
Mushet wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Please tell me you're joking
He went, there was some news about some tourist to North Korea causing trouble and getting arrested for it around this time, there was a thread on NSG where people thought it was him but then he swooped in the thread to tell everybody his trip went well and he didn't get arrested. And THEN I never saw him again.
It'd take some really dedicated North Korean lackey to log in to his nation and post that in order to get rid of suspicions though.
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