Bug: disappearance seems broken (People)

[Gothic Vandelia]

I changed my lifespan from 27 to 66 years and I done a lot of things and all my "People" stats changes except "disappearance", it can go up but never down. I discussed it a bit with people in my region and others had the same issue too.
I am stuck on 89.6% and have been so for at least 6 months no matter what I do, I am rather sure it is broken.

Someone might have mentioned this before but my search showed nothing so I thought I should report it.

[Trotterdam]

Or maybe that's a logical consequence of running an oppressive dictatorship.

[Gothic Vandelia]

Or maybe that's a logical consequence of running an oppressive dictatorship.

I been both democratic and dictatorship during that time and civil rights and political freedom have moved up and down with zero impact.

GV is a bit over the place, I been socialist and capitalist, but no matter what I do, I never been able to lower the disappearance even 0.1%. Now, if it would just be a very slow change and requiring work (like heart disease), I would not complain but the stat seem broken.

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

This is most likely your problem: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=got ... ensusid=51

In my experience, disappearance is linked to corruption, and your corruption keeps going up.

Another thing to note is that the chart shows the percentage of deaths from disappearance, so increasing your lifespan won't necessarily have any effect at all on the chart.

[Lord Dominator]

This is most likely your problem: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=got ... ensusid=51

In my experience, disappearance is linked to corruption, and your corruption keeps going up.

Another thing to note is that the chart shows the percentage of deaths from disappearance, so increasing your lifespan won't necessarily have any effect at all on the chart.

Except for the 'old age' cause of death

[Gothic Vandelia]

This is most likely your problem: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=got ... ensusid=51

In my experience, disappearance is linked to corruption, and your corruption keeps going up.

Another thing to note is that the chart shows the percentage of deaths from disappearance, so increasing your lifespan won't necessarily have any effect at all on the chart.

Thanks, that is helpful. I guess I have to try to get that corruption to go down and if that help.

[Gothic Vandelia]

Or maybe that's a logical consequence of running an oppressive dictatorship.

So I stopped being an oppressive dictatorship, I have tried to do something against corruption too.

So I went down from 89% to 88.8%.

In fact I have the worst in my region even if the only worst stat I have there is primitiveness. Nations with more corruption, more totalitarian and with less civil rights still are way below me and I been trying to improve this for quite some time now.

I haven't been able to get rid of my curfew yet and still have too much corruption and black market to be an exemplary state but I have improved everything and still only seen a decrease with 0.2%.

There is something wrong with the disappearance system when 88.8% of all citizens in a democracy just vanish. I could buy like 10%, even 15% but this make Pinochets rule in Chile that seems like a paradise in comparison, that is just wrong.

[Steam and Clockwork]

You're still in the top 1% of the world for Corruption. Your "Causes of Death" make perfect sense.

Most of the other nations in your region with higher levels of Corruption all have comparable levels of Disappearance, too. A couple are just more efficient at killing them off in other ways before the government agents can disappear them, such as working them to death.

Just keep working on decreasing Corruption. You managed to get it up quite high, so it will take a bit to bring it back down. And the issues you need to cancel some of your worst policies will come around.

[Luna Amore]

There is something wrong with the disappearance system when 88.8% of all citizens in a democracy just vanish. I could buy like 10%, even 15% but this make Pinochets rule in Chile that seems like a paradise in comparison, that is just wrong.

The game is at its root satirical and exaggerated. I originally wrote that it wasn't intended to be taken seriously, but that's ultimately up to the player.
Over 96% of people in my oldest puppet die from Involuntary Euthanasia.


Nothing looks wrong from what I see. If you want less people people to die from disappearance, either become less corrupt or kill 'em another way.

[Gothic Vandelia]

There is something wrong with the disappearance system when 88.8% of all citizens in a democracy just vanish. I could buy like 10%, even 15% but this make Pinochets rule in Chile that seems like a paradise in comparison, that is just wrong.

The game is at its root satirical and exaggerated. I originally wrote that it wasn't intended to be taken seriously, but that's ultimately up to the player.
Over 96% of people in my oldest puppet die from Involuntary Euthanasia.


Nothing looks wrong from what I see. If you want less people people to die from disappearance, either become less corrupt or kill 'em another way.

It is just that the numbers make little sense. We have far more corrupt nations in my region that also are super evil and yet I am a lot worse off then them.

I think the problem is that the games mechanics makes it easy to raise disappearance but very hard to lower it. In comparison my nation also have poor health (working on that too) but almost no one dies for medical reasons. If half died of heart problems it would be fine butt very little I do seems to make any difference at all.

Raising a single stat is generally not a problem, I had the worse environment in my region a while back, now I have fine (which took some work without screwing up my mining operations or massive military) and I think I can loose the corruption and health issues but the question is how much it matters. The improvements I already made had almost zero impact.

[Frisbeeteria]

There is something wrong with the disappearance system when 88.8% of all citizens in a democracy just vanish.

[Fauxia]

That chart is meant in an extremely silly way. Else, you wouldn’t have nations where a third of people die from acts of God.

[Gothic Vandelia]

That chart is meant in an extremely silly way. Else, you wouldn’t have nations where a third of people die from acts of God.

Well, if you are superstitious enough to think all diseases are acts of God then that doesn't sound too far fetched. But that 9 out of 10 people just vanish into thin air?

I don't mind having a bit of preposterous deaths but this is just silly and very hard to do anything against. Mechanically there seems to be some connection with the "corruption" stat but some nations have far higher then me and less then half the disappearance. It annoys me and I want it down to 40% but it seems very hard to lower it. To me it seems that certain issues independent of that stats increases it while few if any lowers it. All the other things on the chart seems to work fine.

[Platinia]

If you want to bring down your "disappearance" cause of death, as mentioned already, just answer issues that raise integrity/lower corruption, which will take some time considering how much you've brought it up already. I used to have a problem with corruption as well, so I can relate. There is a topic to a link which gives you the results of each choice you make, which can help you bring it down faster. However, this is considered a spoiler, so if you are not comfortable with using them to alter your nation's stats, then don't use it.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=440593

[Gothic Vandelia]

If you want to bring down your "disappearance" cause of death, as mentioned already, just answer issues that raise integrity/lower corruption, which will take some time considering how much you've brought it up already. I used to have a problem with corruption as well, so I can relate. There is a topic to a link which gives you the results of each choice you make, which can help you bring it down faster. However, this is considered a spoiler, so if you are not comfortable with using them to alter your nation's stats, then don't use it.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=440593

Thanks, Now I finally dropped down to second worst in the region even if it is a bit cheaty.