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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
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2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:49 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Correct nothing has been proven because once again we are still in the investigation phase. Do you think people who are investigating a crime have to prove anything before the actual trial even begins?

Please forgive me for my canned responses, but you all know I have a mind like a stuck computer.
As a Republican I can assure you all I am not the only one that thinks this way and more, their are millions of us have all my views on this issue. But I am the only one who defends President Trump the most on this thread, so its me against at least 18 plus anti Trumpers, and I am not even getting paid $ for it, darn.
Nope, your canned responses are rather silly and do not help your point.
Great Point Neutraligion, and you all know the Democrats in congress, and the US Presidential candidates have charged, tried and convicted President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrats saints, since before the impeachment attempt and during the impeachment attempt before their investigations are complete, lets all not deny it. this is a political Kangaroo court against President Trump by the Democrats.
No they have not since the investigation is still ongoing. Nor does this claim have anything to do with what I said, which was that nothing has been proven because there has been no trial, an investigation is ongoing. The opinion of democrats is irrelevant to proof right now because there has yet to even be a trial.

Democrat Adam Schiff the leader of the Democrats impeachment process in the house twisting President Trump's words against him to make it sound worse. All of you watch the video that speaks for Democrat Adam Schiff:

I rest my case again.

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You have failed to even reply to my comment and so have been found wanting when it comes to your case. How about instead of using an excuse you actually work at this?
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:50 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Hope Springs Eternal.


Ah, the insanity defense. :P

Yep.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:51 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that treason?
Or like...
Harassment?
Doxxing?
something actionable?

Depends how it was done...though considering nothing was done for Mrs. Plame...I doubt anything will happen here.

Plame was fortunate enough to get out of Iran, plus there was nobody in the United States calling her a traitor. Even though it's likely he might not be the whistleblower he's already going to get death threats. And both Pizzagate and Cesar Sayoc proved there will be fanatical cultists willing to engage in violence.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:52 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Depends how it was done...though considering nothing was done for Mrs. Plame...I doubt anything will happen here.

Plame was fortunate enough to get out of Iran, plus there was nobody in the United States calling her a traitor. Even though it's likely he might not be the whistleblower he's already going to get death threats. And both Pizzagate and Cesar Sayic proved there will be fanatical cultists willing to engage in violence.


And still, nothing was done for her. Given she was in a better position it is unlikely anything will be done about this if it was leaked.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:53 pm

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Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that treason?
Or like...
Harassment?
Doxxing?
something actionable?

Depends how it was done...though considering nothing was done for Mrs. Plame...I doubt anything will happen here.


Most likely.

The problem were the contacts she made. Outing her most likely brought them to the attention of the authorities.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:54 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Neut and Farn. Why are you continuing to engage with this guy? You'll never get a straight answer.

Hope Springs Eternal.

I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

I said most Republicans agree with all my views.

I know, I know, I have a mind like a stuck computer.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:57 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hope Springs Eternal.

I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

No, you have given, as you admitted earlier, canned answers that do not actually respond to the questions asked or the responses given. It is not unusual for people to have issues with sources, so defend your use of them and why that particular article or source is sound. People keep asking the same/similar questions because they feel you did not in give good answers.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:58 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

No, you have given, as you admitted earlier, canned answers that do not actually respond to the questions asked or the responses given. It is not unusual for people to have issues with sources, so defend your use of them and why that particular article or source is sound. People keep asking the same/similar questions because they feel you did not in give good answers.

They always seem to put down my right wing sources as wrong and their leftist sources as right. I respectfully disagree.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:59 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hope Springs Eternal.

I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

I said most Republicans agree with all my views.

I know, I know, I have a mind like a stuck computer.

No you haven't. all you have done is given the same canned answers over and over again with zero evidence whatsoever to back up your claims.

I have met Republicans that don't and have left the party due to Trump.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:59 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

No, you have given, as you admitted earlier, canned answers that do not actually respond to the questions asked or the responses given. It is not unusual for people to have issues with sources, so defend your use of them and why that particular article or source is sound. People keep asking the same/similar questions because they feel you did not in give good answers.


I love that you're trying to teach this guy how to debate. But he worked on the Reagan campaign. What is it they say about old dogs? And every time you quote him those of us who have him on ignore have to see his posts.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No, you have given, as you admitted earlier, canned answers that do not actually respond to the questions asked or the responses given. It is not unusual for people to have issues with sources, so defend your use of them and why that particular article or source is sound. People keep asking the same/similar questions because they feel you did not in give good answers.


I love that you're trying to teach this guy how to debate. But he worked on the Reagan campaign. What is it they say about old dogs? And every time you quote him those of us who have him on ignore have to see his posts.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No, you have given, as you admitted earlier, canned answers that do not actually respond to the questions asked or the responses given. It is not unusual for people to have issues with sources, so defend your use of them and why that particular article or source is sound. People keep asking the same/similar questions because they feel you did not in give good answers.


I love that you're trying to teach this guy how to debate. But he worked on the Reagan campaign. What is it they say about old dogs? And every time you quote him those of us who have him on ignore have to see his posts.

If you want I can begin to spoiler my replies to them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:21 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I love that you're trying to teach this guy how to debate. But he worked on the Reagan campaign. What is it they say about old dogs? And every time you quote him those of us who have him on ignore have to see his posts.

If you want I can begin to spoiler my replies to them.


I wouldn't ask that of you. I was just making a point.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have given good straight answers, the problem is they don't like my answers and don't accept my answers. The problem is all right wing sources seem to be wrong and not credible to them, and all leftist sources seem to be right and credible to them. Notice I did not say they are, I said seem to be. So it seems they keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers they don't like and don't accept, agree or disagree with them, I am not surprised, Back to First Base.

I said most Republicans agree with all my views.

I know, I know, I have a mind like a stuck computer.

No you haven't. all you have done is given the same canned answers over and over again with zero evidence whatsoever to back up your claims.

I have met Republicans that don't and have left the party due to Trump.


Doesn't that mean they aren't Republicans tho?
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:23 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:If you want I can begin to spoiler my replies to them.


I wouldn't ask that of you. I was just making a point.

Not much I can do about it since I somewhat enjoy responding (Like I said hope springs eternal). I think spoilering may simply be the best way to respond while not having it show up for you all.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:This is not what I said, I also say nothing has been proven against President Trump beyond a doubt and this is all a political trial by the Democrats against President Trump for Political reasons, not about justice in America, lets all not keep denying it.

I am not surprised by your response. I am not surprised by your opposition to President Trump.

My Canned response that fits the counter post and the post for the one thousand and six times.

There is nothing about your support for Trump that surprises anyone here, not at this point. And I'd not do the counter thing with your canned responses. Whether you are nor not, it just makes you look like a Trump bot.

I have stopped counting because I am going to eventually get warned by a moderator, banned for x days, or banned from NS, which I love and we all love, or at least ruin my clean record which I am very proud of and wish to keep clean.

I cant win one according to them, and I understand this. Then they make fun of my posts to me and to each other, as proven to me by their posts to me and their posts to each other. Granted they are allowed to do so and it is not actionable.

A certain nation I will not name and I can post the link to it, stated to me they have the facts on their side. What they seem to want is for me to admit President Trump is guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrats. Then they will celebrate it on the forums, this is not going to happen if this is what they want, notice I said if.

I have stated to them, I source from both right wing and left wing sources like Fox News, Breitbart, MSNBC, Politico and other sources, and this does not satisfy them. my right wing sources are always wrong, biased propaganda.

I am not surprised by their strong anti Trump defense. A certain nation I will not name, has stated to me we have the truth on our side. Many nations I will not name, have stated right wing sources are biased, not credible right wing propaganda, proving my point.

I have stated to them, I accept all sources and don't question the credibility of any source, right wing or left wing, and my sources are always wrong and their sources are always right.

I have stated to them, I don't classify right wing sources and left wing sources, and a certain nation I will not name classified the sources for me based on its political beliefs not mine, plus stated my sources are wrong their sources are right.

I have stated to them, the right wing spins it to the right, and the left wing spins it to the left, but they all have substance in their posts and I can read between the lines the substance of their posts past their right wing spin and their leftists spin, and I get the same answers.

I give up, just a figure of speech.

No matter from what comments, articles, sources and Videos that speak for themselves not the source I present, I am always wrong and they are always right. Nothing bothers me accept this.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

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Fartsniffage wrote:
I wouldn't ask that of you. I was just making a point.

Not much I can do about it since I somewhat enjoy responding (Like I said hope springs eternal). I think spoilering may simply be the best way to respond while not having it show up for you all.


I felt the same until about a week ago. Then I gave up.

If you would spoiler then thank you. But I wouldn't ask you to.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:36 pm

To Neutraligion: I don't know for sure if you or Farnhamia are moderating this thread, or at times you both switch moderating this thread, so for the record:
I have stopped counting because I am going to eventually get warned by a moderator, banned for x days, or banned from NS, which I love and we all love, or at least ruin my clean record which I am very proud of and wish to keep clean.

I do the : to emphasize my post. I have done this to other nations to emphasize my post.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:40 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:To Neutraligion I don't know for sure if you or Farnhamia are moderating this thread, or at times you both switch moderating this thread, so for the record:
I have stopped counting because I am going to eventually get warned by a moderator, banned for x days, or banned from NS, which I love and we all love, or at least ruin my clean record which I am very proud of and wish to keep clean.

Neither of can moderate in this thread because we're participants. The most I will do it deploy my Ominous Loom colors, which is a semi-official pronouncement but not a warning of any kind. If you post in a civil manner, you're fine. Where I advise you about your posting style, it's to get people to take more seriously.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:To Neutraligion I don't know for sure if you or Farnhamia are moderating this thread, or at times you both switch moderating this thread, so for the record:
I have stopped counting because I am going to eventually get warned by a moderator, banned for x days, or banned from NS, which I love and we all love, or at least ruin my clean record which I am very proud of and wish to keep clean.

Neither of can moderate in this thread because we're participants. The most I will do it deploy my Ominous Loom colors, which is a semi-official pronouncement but not a warning of any kind. If you post in a civil manner, you're fine. Where I advise you about your posting style, it's to get people to take more seriously.

Thank you for your concerns and help. I do know you and Farnhamia are just trying to help me with constructive suggestions.
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Postby Eahland » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:56 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have returned, Gormwood you're having a lol attack, lol. I am sure it will appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court where we right wing Republicans have a majority lol.

I love how you constantly rant about the "biased partisan Democrats", and then brag about how the partisan bias of the Republican-dominated Supreme Court is going to help Trump suppress the evidence of his crimes.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:04 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
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I wouldn't ask that of you. I was just making a point.

Not much I can do about it since I somewhat enjoy responding (Like I said hope springs eternal). I think spoilering may simply be the best way to respond while not having it show up for you all.

If you were the only one tilting at that windmill it would help, but you're not. We just have to sit and wait for everyone to get it out of their system and hope that one day the thread will be about Trump and not some random poster again.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Not much I can do about it since I somewhat enjoy responding (Like I said hope springs eternal). I think spoilering may simply be the best way to respond while not having it show up for you all.

If you were the only one tilting at that windmill it would help, but you're not. We just have to sit and wait for everyone to get it out of their system and hope that one day the thread will be about Trump and not some random poster again.

I think this thread is about President Trump being guilty or not guilty that is the question of the this thread, or should be the question of this thread. guilty or not guilty, I say not guilty and I am not the only person on this thread, on nation states, in America or in the world who says it.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:11 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:If you were the only one tilting at that windmill it would help, but you're not. We just have to sit and wait for everyone to get it out of their system and hope that one day the thread will be about Trump and not some random poster again.

I think this thread is about President Trump being guilty or not guilty that is the question of the this thread, or should be the question of this thread. guilty or not guilty, I say not guilty.

on what evidence? because multiple witnesses say he is unless you think they are committing perjury which is a crime

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Postby Antityranicals » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I think this thread is about President Trump being guilty or not guilty that is the question of the this thread, or should be the question of this thread. guilty or not guilty, I say not guilty.

on what evidence? because multiple witnesses say he is unless you think they are committing perjury which is a crime

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
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