by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:35 pm
by Napkizemlja » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:39 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:43 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
by Klorgia1 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:45 pm
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:45 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
by Asle Leopolka » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:46 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
by Napkizemlja » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:47 pm
San Lumen wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.
by Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:47 pm
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:48 pm
Asle Leopolka wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
This article has a pretty good writeup of what the likely next steps will be:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 174894002/
Personally I think Bevin should cut his losses. My understanding is that he was very unpopular, especially near the end of the campaign cycle (although I don't live in Kentucky, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of that)
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:48 pm
Fahran wrote:According to the Associated Press, the gubernatorial race is too close to call. The unofficial results from the Kentucky Election Board have Beshear winning but within 0.7% points of Bevin, well within the margin of error and well within bounds to contest the results or request a recanvas. There's no indictation that the GOP is attempting to steal the governorship through unlawful means. They still have to adhere to procedures.
Source.
by Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:50 pm
San Lumen wrote:There is no law in Kentucky for automatic recounts. Its whatever a court says it is and Bevin would have to pay for the recount.
by Thermodolia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:50 pm
San Lumen wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?
The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:51 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:San Lumen wrote:The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.
I do not hate democracy, it is clear that the majority of people in Kentucky have not voted for Beshear and his radical liberalism, instead favoring right of center candidates. Why should the majority be subjected to the will of a minority of voters? :^)
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:51 pm
Fahran wrote:San Lumen wrote:There is no law in Kentucky for automatic recounts. Its whatever a court says it is and Bevin would have to pay for the recount.
It's not automatic. He has to go through a process to request a recanvas and to formally contest the results. The state constitution does allow for that.
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:52 pm
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.
It’s evident that the majority do not want Bershear to be the governor, it’s also evident that the majority don’t want any of the other candidates to be governor either. So the only way to fix this is to have another election with just the top two candidates. That way at least one of them will get 50%+1.
by Camelone » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:52 pm
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.
It’s evident that the majority do not want Bershear to be the governor, it’s also evident that the majority don’t want any of the other candidates to be governor either. So the only way to fix this is to have another election with just the top two candidates. That way at least one of them will get 50%+1.
by Camelone » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:53 pm
San Lumen wrote:Fahran wrote:It's not automatic. He has to go through a process to request a recanvas and to formally contest the results. The state constitution does allow for that.
There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature
by Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:53 pm
San Lumen wrote:There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:54 pm
Camelone wrote:San Lumen wrote:
There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature
There doesn’t have to be fraud for there to be a mistake, note that the results were within the margin of error as Fahran noted.
by Thermodolia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:54 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:I do not hate democracy, it is clear that the majority of people in Kentucky have not voted for Beshear and his radical liberalism, instead favoring right of center candidates. Why should the majority be subjected to the will of a minority of voters? :^)
The majority of Americans also voted for Al Gore in 2000 and Hillary Clinton in 2016, yet I don't see you or any Republican for that matter complaining about a "rigged system". If you want a better handled election, then start a movement to enact ranked choice voting nationwide. That will once and for all overhaul the dysfunctional electoral system America has.
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:55 pm
Fahran wrote:San Lumen wrote:There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature
Beshear won by 0.7% points. That's reason enough to contest the results and request a recount. The allegation that this somehow tantamount to the GOP stealing the election is silly. We have no indication that the results will be thrown out altogether or that Bevin will be installed for no other reason than the R by his name. Again, there's a process to this.
by Thermodolia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:55 pm
by Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:55 pm
San Lumen wrote:Margin of error? Are you making the suggestion that several thousand votes were miscounted? Very doubtful
by San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:56 pm
Fahran wrote:San Lumen wrote:Margin of error? Are you making the suggestion that several thousand votes were miscounted? Very doubtful
A few thousand out of hundreds of thousands. And, as my article mentioned, that is unlikely but the possibility is still enough that Bevin is not being unreasonable in requesting a recount.
by Napkizemlja » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:56 pm
San Lumen wrote:Fahran wrote:Beshear won by 0.7% points. That's reason enough to contest the results and request a recount. The allegation that this somehow tantamount to the GOP stealing the election is silly. We have no indication that the results will be thrown out altogether or that Bevin will be installed for no other reason than the R by his name. Again, there's a process to this.
and one that Bevin would have to pay for. Kentucky doesn't have automatic recounts and the Senate President seems be strongly hinting at thumbing his nose at the people of the state.
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