by Aruia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:17 pm
by Aruia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:47 am
by Athara Magarat » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:30 am
Aruia wrote:Options with Ainslie:
the excessive deregulation by the prime minister allowed foreign businesses to enter, Gael Finance entered very aggressively while prior to that pulled the strings through the two Aruian ministries to pull this type of agendas that would allow the body to do a hostile take over several companies, banks, and stock value papers. The deregulation made Ainslies currency weaken which led to a lot of businesses being weaken
Other option could be that the deregulations allowed many companies to enter, it was this arbitrary decision making that allowed Ainslies market to weaken and allow bodies Gael Finance to seize control on important assets to Anhelsen market.
Athera Magarat -
To try and cover tracks or fix this thing, Bank of Gael started importing cheap manufacturing from AM and use Gael Finance to bring into the entire Gael market. But with the cheap price, the quality was cheap and sometimes unregulated, perhaps even toxic when it came to consumption handling?
massive regulation and taxing at the end of the 80s allowed many of the Gael nations to recover somewhat thanks to taxing and crackdown on AM goods.
by Ainslie » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:31 pm
Aruia wrote:Options with Ainslie:
the excessive deregulation by the prime minister allowed foreign businesses to enter, Gael Finance entered very aggressively while prior to that pulled the strings through the two Aruian ministries to pull this type of agendas that would allow the body to do a hostile take over several companies, banks, and stock value papers. The deregulation made Ainslies currency weaken which led to a lot of businesses being weaken
The Unified Electorates of Ainslie
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by Ostehaar » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:54 pm
Aruia wrote:Ostehaar already through the mid-80s suffer an economic crisis from being involved in two wars, with the additional aspect of a market crash and decrease in Gael currency value could have derailed Ostehaars economy even deeper to a recession. Verdon in the early 80s enter a civil war, the economic crisis could be additional fuel for the civil war with it ends signaling a market recovery process in Verdon specifically.
by Aruia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:56 pm
Ainslie wrote:Aruia wrote:Options with Ainslie:
the excessive deregulation by the prime minister allowed foreign businesses to enter, Gael Finance entered very aggressively while prior to that pulled the strings through the two Aruian ministries to pull this type of agendas that would allow the body to do a hostile take over several companies, banks, and stock value papers. The deregulation made Ainslies currency weaken which led to a lot of businesses being weaken
Yep, this fits in well with what I’ve already got. Condor, the next PM, would come in and block a whole lot of the takeovers eventually though.
by Ainslie » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:59 pm
Aruia wrote:Ainslie wrote:Yep, this fits in well with what I’ve already got. Condor, the next PM, would come in and block a whole lot of the takeovers eventually though.
i think what could be given here that Condor demanded the investigation into Gael Finance due to their destructive behavior in Ainslie and connection directly to the crash which would lead in Aruias liberalization in 90s
The Unified Electorates of Ainslie
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by Aruia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:50 pm
Ainslie wrote:Aruia wrote:
i think what could be given here that Condor demanded the investigation into Gael Finance due to their destructive behavior in Ainslie and connection directly to the crash which would lead in Aruias liberalization in 90s
condor wouldn't need to do anything like that - the judicial council would be angry enough that they'd do it themselves and override condor's wishes
Ostehaar wrote:Aruia wrote:Ostehaar already through the mid-80s suffer an economic crisis from being involved in two wars, with the additional aspect of a market crash and decrease in Gael currency value could have derailed Ostehaars economy even deeper to a recession. Verdon in the early 80s enter a civil war, the economic crisis could be additional fuel for the civil war with it ends signaling a market recovery process in Verdon specifically.
Suggestion - massive investment by the Oster government and public sector in post-civil-war Verdon's recovery (infrastructure, energy, re-equipping the military, etc.) helped Ostehaar accelerate its own post-recession recovery...
by Verdon » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:59 pm
Aruia wrote:For that we would need to polish in what period did Verdons civil war ended, what led to the decision to invest in Verdon after a civil were and who was the leader at the time. It can help the private sector but Ostehaar government would need justification to have public funds be poured over to Verdon instead of itself.
by Ostehaar » Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:49 am
Verdon wrote:Aruia wrote:For that we would need to polish in what period did Verdons civil war ended, what led to the decision to invest in Verdon after a civil were and who was the leader at the time. It can help the private sector but Ostehaar government would need justification to have public funds be poured over to Verdon instead of itself.
Civil War stretches from '82 to '94 - it is drawn out and devastating, and ultimately is what kept Verdon's economy from keeping pace with that of its neighbors. In context, Ostehaar's involvement supplies funding and munitions to a 'third party' faction that rises out of the turmoil. In essence, Ostehaar buys a seat at the table of the new government of Verdon (perhaps not as open as that, but certainly enough to shape the country's new economic policies to be very Oster-friendly). As soon as the war ends, Verdon becomes a new multi-billion dollar market up for grabs. By pouring money into Verdon, my nation then reinvests in needed resources from Ostehaar - both reconstructing my nation, rejuvinating his economy and expanding his industries abroad.
by Miklania » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm
by Aruia » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:48 pm
Ostehaar wrote:Verdon wrote:Civil War stretches from '82 to '94 - it is drawn out and devastating, and ultimately is what kept Verdon's economy from keeping pace with that of its neighbors. In context, Ostehaar's involvement supplies funding and munitions to a 'third party' faction that rises out of the turmoil. In essence, Ostehaar buys a seat at the table of the new government of Verdon (perhaps not as open as that, but certainly enough to shape the country's new economic policies to be very Oster-friendly). As soon as the war ends, Verdon becomes a new multi-billion dollar market up for grabs. By pouring money into Verdon, my nation then reinvests in needed resources from Ostehaar - both reconstructing my nation, rejuvinating his economy and expanding his industries abroad.
Exactly. Cool. (:
by Ostehaar » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:57 pm
Aruia wrote:question is if specifically Verdon and Ostehaars economic trouble goes all the way into the 90s way after Gael Finance become an international body for economy and banking.
by Aruia » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:30 pm
by Verdon » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:44 pm
Aruia wrote:The what could be said with the market crash is the most impacted are Ostehaar and Verdon due to the situation, a good result is that the local currency in both Ostehaar and Verdon drop completely which would lead to high poverty waves.
What could happen is that all the way to the 90s Ainslie Ostehaar and Verdon use Gael Finance as an international body to help restabilize the Gael market specifically and directly by shifting it into both Ostehaar and Verdons market to stabilize the industry and consumer market there. Roendovar is in some heavy left period which makes them a bit disconnected from this liberalization behavior but they support it with the intention of having Gaels market richer, this allows many private sectors based in all of Gael to blossom, making investors focus on developing Gael goods than importing foreign goods. Mid 95s would be Gaels exporting golden age.
by Aruia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:33 am
by Ainslie » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:57 pm
Aruia wrote:So this leaves us with the post period of the crash. How does each nation kept themselve from collapsing entirely and what body ledthe regional stability and which nation and leader worked for that.
The Unified Electorates of Ainslie
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by Dormill and Stiura » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:00 pm
The most critical of such problems [for the new Liberal government] was the rampant unemployment and runaway inflation initiated by the Gael Crash of 1989 and reinforced by a Housing Crisis at the tail end of the Arvannan War. The Liberal Government stepped in with a pair of wide-reaching programs intended to “force” the invisible hand to work in favor of the Dormill-Stiuraian people, enacting laws to create the Ministries of Labor and Employment, and Housing and Development; which was followed by the Reformed Banking Act of 1994 which established multiple new institutions such as the Bank of the United Republics that serves as the Central Bank of the nation to this day.
I’m thinking Bank of Gael would buy over Lennester Bank and cause it a whole lot of grief by scaring off investors. The overall deteriorating economic conditions would then translate to Ainslie due to its sudden vulnerability to global markets - whether that be a collapse in consumer confidence, a darkening in the economic outlook or investor uncertainty.
by Ostehaar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:09 pm
by Aruia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:51 pm
Dormill and Stiura wrote:snip
Dormill and Stiura wrote:I also support this reality, but not through this institution. It would make sense that a collapse of the financial system starting by a hostile takeover of Bulge Bracket Banks would be a kicker for the whole crisis, as the remainder of Gael's Bulge Bracket Banks all simultaneously lose value. If this is the ultimate path we go with, I think the trigger would be the cessation of membership for one or multiple ACGS states at the same time, citing a lack of economic independence as the "Bank of Gael" began to take on features of what would become the new Doraltic economic system. This collapse marks the end of the ACGS as everybody pulls out of it except for the original Doraltic states, who by 1982 have begun to dismantle it and replace it with the United Republics.
This does, in the end, make the newly reunited Dormill and Stiura an international pariah as all of Gael now points to it as the source of the Crash, a sentiment that took decades of hard diplomatic work and membership in the subsequent Gael Four to even partially fix.
by Dormill and Stiura » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:03 pm
Aruia wrote:i want to note that "Bank of Gael" is s a shiny name for a bank owned by an Aruian umbrella conglomerate named "Gael Finances", which the minister of finance and minister of commerce had direct share holds in it after it was secretly partially nationalized in 1973. they used their power and influence to make hostile take over on several companies but mainly banks and turning them into sub-branch of "Bank of Gael" when Bank of Gaels stocks drop it takes with it the entire ship along with it, businesses that have their portfolios in sub-branches of Bank of Gael suffer severely, some are erased completely.
Aruia wrote:there needs to be a justification for this mass private takeovers I agree with that.
what could happen is either:I would like to incorporate the ACGS in this because it can have other nation-building options to go with
- the ACGS influence when enforcing agreements proven weak that it led to nation pulling out.
- civil wars force the body to be focused on those nations who deal with civil wars to have their treaties protected and which led to them not taking note of "Gael Finances" hostile takeovers.
- Ainslies membership is revoked due to Joel Gisbourne agenda that were a breach of treaties, with one member leaving revoked other left.
- Aruia simply was not part of the treaty and allowed a to work outside of the treaties, Aruia wasn't very involved in treaties like that until the 90s to begin with. And once the ACGS had an economic crisis on their hands it proved too incompetent or irrelevant to handle it and was dissolved.]
by Balnik » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:21 pm
by Aruia » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:15 pm
Dormill and Stiura wrote:Honestly, all four of these scenarios can, and should, happen at the same time.
The ACGS, as I mentioned, was at best a loose association. It most certainly did not have the power to enforce the agreements it made. At best it could recommend other members to take action but I doubt throughout its rather brief life would anything the Association did to reign in a member worked out favorably as a whole. This leads into the situation with Ainslie. It's probably fair to say that if Ains would want to be a member at the time the Crash began, the Association could have encouraged Gisbourne to deregulate the nation's economy in exchange for support by way of investment and loans. This is where Gael Finance comes in, and your non-membership; operating outside of the system, Gael Finance could easily hand out risky loans to basically any Gaeltic business and got rich off the system the ACGS was trying to build. The ACGS's distraction in Orsandian rebuilding efforts was more than enough cover for the predatory affairs of Gael Finance to go unnoticed until it was too late.
By 1982, the ACGS had dissolved back to the core Doraltic states, who in Kapolder took measures to dismantle the organization officially and use its systems to rebuild a united Doraltic economy. Once the ACGS was officially dissolved in 1990, that was the end of that. In the interim, it might be possible that it was key in the investigations against Gael Finance but I'm not entirely sure if it would have an investigatory committee and if it could be able to investigate the affairs of a non-member.
Balnik wrote:After the war, the economy would be in shambles with outcomes being as follows.
-Economic devastation causes large human development drops and poverty and famine to reign in Balnik.
-Fascist aggressive state projects and welcoming attitude to foreign elements and appeasement of Gael and most international nations result in more foreign involvement in Balniki economics.
-The Krav is rebuilt and reformed and begins to circulate as the new standard in Balnik as minor debts are repaid to regain credit confidence.
by Balnik » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:07 pm
Aruia wrote:
the rise of Fascists in the country could be justified that a lot of foreign cheap factories were built in Balnik during the 80s with low income to workers who were desperate for income to feed their families, the government that approved needed a way to keep market consumption existing. And into the mid-80s the fascist government could turn its rhetoric from trying to appease Gael into using the card of being victims of the situation.
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