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[Armaros]

To the TWP part, you can add the Triumvirate coup and Wickedly Evil People’s coup/Rolheath’s countercoup, the latter in about 2008 or 2009. I am not sure when the Triumvirate occurred.

[The Church of Satan]

I have absolutely no idea on any of the history of Balder, Osiris, or Laz.

Lazarus coups: Durk's coup in 2009 under the alias "Viceroy Victorious", NLO coup in 2015, LWU coup of 2017, Imki's coup of LWUs coup.

Prior to 2009 I haven't the slightest coup about Lazarus' past coups.

Osiris' past coups are pretty easy to track down. Cormac's done like three of them himself. I have those documented somewhere but it's really late.

[Wabbitslayah]

I have absolutely no idea on any of the history of Balder, Osiris, or Laz.

I'm only counting actual nations as delegate. Not anyone who ended up sharing a nation such as JAL and Nevadar with Douria or planned a coup with the couping nation.

Balder - Luxeumborg
Osiris - Neo Kervoskia & Dalimbar (NK ended Madjack, Dalimbar elected delegate after NK, Madjack regains control from NK and Dali), The Dourian Embassy, Venico/Detective Figs (Koth at the time)/Cormac, Tim Stark.
Lazarus - Stujenske, Yao (Milograd)?, Funkadelia, Aleister, Killer Kitty (Evil Wolf)
The North Pacific - Blue Wolf (II I think?)

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

To the TWP part, you can add the Triumvirate coup and Wickedly Evil People’s coup/Rolheath’s countercoup, the latter in about 2008 or 2009. I am not sure when the Triumvirate occurred.

The Triumvirate coup lasted from late 2005 to mid 2006.

[Gorundu]

The North Pacific - Blue Wolf (II I think?)

I don't think Blue Wolf II/Evil Wolf couped. He wanted to coup, I believe, but didn't go through with it.

[Bormiar]

To the TWP part, you can add the Triumvirate coup and Wickedly Evil People’s coup/Rolheath’s countercoup, the latter in about 2008 or 2009. I am not sure when the Triumvirate occurred.

I have absolutely no idea on any of the history of Balder, Osiris, or Laz.

Lazarus coups: Durk's coup in 2009 under the alias "Viceroy Victorious", NLO coup in 2015, LWU coup of 2017, Imki's coup of LWUs coup.

Prior to 2009 I haven't the slightest coup about Lazarus' past coups.

Osiris' past coups are pretty easy to track down. Cormac's done like three of them himself. I have those documented somewhere but it's really late.

I have absolutely no idea on any of the history of Balder, Osiris, or Laz.

I'm only counting actual nations as delegate. Not anyone who ended up sharing a nation such as JAL and Nevadar with Douria or planned a coup with the couping nation.

Balder - Luxeumborg
Osiris - Neo Kervoskia & Dalimbar (NK ended Madjack, Dalimbar elected delegate after NK, Madjack regains control from NK and Dali), The Dourian Embassy, Venico/Detective Figs (Koth at the time)/Cormac, Tim Stark.
Lazarus - Stujenske, Yao (Milograd)?, Funkadelia, Aleister, Killer Kitty (Evil Wolf)
The North Pacific - Blue Wolf (II I think?)

To the TWP part, you can add the Triumvirate coup and Wickedly Evil People’s coup/Rolheath’s countercoup, the latter in about 2008 or 2009. I am not sure when the Triumvirate occurred.

The Triumvirate coup lasted from late 2005 to mid 2006.

The North Pacific - Blue Wolf (II I think?)

I don't think Blue Wolf II/Evil Wolf couped. He wanted to coup, I believe, but didn't go through with it.

Thanks guys! I added this info. I cited you guys too ofc.

[Numero Capitan]

1. Is there a list of coups?

I assume that you mean GCR coups, and not that I'm aware of (there are simply too many), so I'll make a list now (I'll look up the month and maybe include some extra info) that you could ask about or research:

1. [May 8 2003 - May 16 2003] Power vacuum and subsequent power transitions after InfernoIce was ejected from the UN. Started with The Wold, a native, holding it until May 11 before the Atlantic Alliance invaded and took it.
2. [August 28 2003] Francos Spain coup. This one is obvious.
   
   I feel like there's more, but I really can't think of any.

1. [May 2003] Atlantic Alliance military takeover. New Ali was the invading delegate. It replaced Killer Monkeys briefly.
2. [June 2003 to June 18 2003] The XYZ Affair power-grab. Probably one of the most famous coups in TSP history. It was supported by the Atlantic Alliance and involved The XYZ Affair taking power and randomly/pointlessly ejecting nations. Because of a glitch in which many of Goddessness' endorsements (I believe half) disappeared, The XYZ Affair and the Atlantic Alliance were able to seize power.
3. [May 23 2011 - May 25 2011] Devonitians / Sedgistan coup. There's a great summary here, so I won't write about it.
4. [April 20 2013 - April 30 2013] Milograd coup. Once again, Roavin saved me from doing work by having written this.
5. [January 31 2016 - February 2 2016] Hileville coup.

Dates taken from this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=329802

1. [May 12 2003] Farker invasion, which took it from the Atlantic Alliance's control. I'm not sure this counts as it wasn't made a feeder until after they invaded.
2. [August 16 2008 - December 18 2008] Lady Phedre / the Empire coup. The empire was a group consisting of coupers like Lady Phedre / Neenee, Biyah (who called himself Lord Rahl), Dalimbar (called Lady Anastasia), Neo Kervoskia, and Der Fuhrer Dysel (Lady Edea). As you can probably tell by the names, it was very roleplay-focused (the roleplay itself involved the coupers pretending to think they were superior and such, which naturally, perhaps inadvertently, upset the natives). It took until December 2008 before they finally started ejecting nations. Lady Phedre at the end just ejected a bunch of nations and quit.
3. [October 14th 2019 - October 15 2019] Fedele coup. I think that in this case the exact date of the coup is a little ambiguous, but the rest is all stuff you should know.
   
   Dates from this: https://forum.theeastpacific.com/delega ... 14952.html

1. [Early April - Late May 2003] Atlantic Alliance Invasion. Commercial Affairs (AKA FoCA) was delegate the majority of the time except for a small period in which another AA member, Ruebenlucy, was delegate (they fought over it).
2. [November 2 2005 - November 4] Biyah and their allies of "The Core" dissolve TWP's constitution, declare martial law, and establish the new government as The West Pacific Dominion. Was quickly defeated following Biyah's resignation (who appointed Shasoria, who dissolved the WPD), and Minineenee's resignations as delegate.
   
   Dates from this:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1257850

1. [June 17 2004 - July 27 2004] UPS Rail / Great Bight coup. It's covered here, though naturally there's potentially some defender bias.
2. [Oct 24 2004 - May 26 2005] The Pixiedance coup is covered well here.
3. [July 16 2007 - Aug 19 2007] Chodean Kal / Dalimbar coup.
4. [October 22 2007 - October 28 2007] Emperor Matthius rogue delegacy.
5. [Sometime in March I believe - May 3 2008] Lewis and Clark rogue delegacy.
6. [Sep 29 2009 - March 4 2010] Durkadurkistan rogue delegacy.
7. [Oct 2 2010 - October 20 2010] Durkadurkistan II rogue delegacy.
   
   Dates from this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=335191

https://rejectedrealms.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=10027149
You can read about them there.

I have absolutely no idea on any of the history of Balder, Osiris, or Laz.

I may have missed a lot, but this is solely to spark interest in the events and research them. Note that some GCRs do not have dates and delegates recorded as well as TEP, TSP, TWP, TNP, Osiris, Balder, Lazarus, and TRR (yes, I'm thinking of a specific region). Take this as just inspiration for further research, not fact.

To add some meat on the bones here:

The Lewis and Clark/Westwind coup in the North Pacific was known as the Crimson Order and AWP moved in against Lewis and Clark on 12th February 2008, Flemingovia and Great Bights Mum were the native leads. Westwind was originally elected as delegate (although he received a measly 8 votes, not even a majority of those cast) and destroyed the constitution, replaced the forums, and only secured the delegacy with outside support from Gatesville, Equilism and The New Inquisition. Great Bights Mum took the delegacy from Lewis and Clark on 30th April 2008 not 3rd May

It took a long campaign to overthrow them led by natives with military support from Taijitu, 00000 A World Power, Lichentia, the YoungWorld, The Genesis Federation and 10000 Islands. The resistance was largely led by Great Bights Mum (TNP), PoDGunner (Taijitu), Neasmyrna (AWP), Twobagger (TITO), Hammer (Lichentia) and Sir Lans (The Youngworld), in a private section on AWPs forum.

In relation to the above coup, Gatesville and others coordinated invasion attempts in the Rejected Realms (invader lead - Unorganized Freedom) and Lazarus twice (invader leads - Brommanikha (as 'Hellraiser') to attempt to draw the above groups away from TNP but the FRA kept Kandarin and Northern Chittowa in place respectively. The region was only liberated once Gatesville agreed a peace treaty with the natives of TNP and moved out.

The Emperor Matthius coup was supported by Gatesville and Catlandatopia. Matthius then ejected into the Rejected Realms (27th October 2007) and attempted to coup the region but Gatesville turned on him and endorsed Kandarin, so he didn't get close.

The Empire coup in the East Pacific overthrew Gnidrah as delegate by force, with nations from Gatesville, The Black Hawks, Neo Genesis Movement, Lone Wolves United and The New Inquisition all providing support. JAL was also involved as 'Lancelot'

The native government wasn't restored as early as December 18th 2008, definitely didn't happen until 22nd December at the earliest. Original lead was Dannistaan but A Slanted Black Stripe ultimately secured the delegacy and returned the region to native hands.

Unsuccessful coup 'attempts' in the Pacific in 2008 included an invasion by the Genesis Federation and also vague attempts orchestrated by 'Doitzel' (due to a gripe with NPO in Cybernations) and Dhaka in league with Gatesville. The Empire also wanted Moo out of the delegacy but never made a serious attempt at overthrowing them.

The Viceroy Victorious coup attempt in Lazarus began in November 2008. There was also an attempted coup by hellraiser/Brommanikha in April 2008 as mentioned above.

EDIT: regarding the Eli/Wickedly Evil People coup in TWP began around early January 2009 and included the disbandment of the West Pacific Liberation Force but wasn't treated as a coup until around 19th February 2009, when they attempted to dissolve the Senate. There was a 'Committee for Public Safety' supporting Eli comprised of That Called the Vlagh, Poo Dynasty, NeeNee, Transberia, Fae, Westwind, Biyah and Kickingandscreaming. Members of the North Pacific Army were originally involved in a plan to refound the West Pacific Liberation Force as a guerrilla force alongside disgruntled TWP natives and The United Kingdom but the operation was overruled by Sydia (who was acting delegate of TNP at the time)

One genuine answer could be Feudal Japan, which was under raider control before nearly two years (November 2007 to August 2009) with the natives forced to set up camp in an alternative region all that time until the WA Security Council was introduced. Catlandatopia, Fox Rite, The Cathedral, and Blades of Conquest were responsible.

Seem to remember DEN holding onto Central Eastern Europe for a long time too, repelling numerous liberation attempts (think Meri was delegate for that one)

Thanks for the answer! ^^ I'm a relatively new guy to this game, so... I am curious about anything before 2015 and the like, and how they're like.

As I've been looking through some old logs, to follow on from this, DEN held onto Central Eastern Europe for 38 days and South America for 51 days - during which there were numerous liberation attempts and the region was held by the delegate (not by password).

Their occupation/control in Chicago was at least five months long too (in that case mostly by p/w) and ultimately outlived that iteration of DEN - all 2008/09 raids. We had their first password and attempted to liberate the region but they changed it two months in and our agent never got the second (they may have suspected him but never removed his military access) so we had to stop attempting liberations. Some of these raids were occurring simultaneously too, at a time when there were less than 50k nations.

Central Eastern Europe was liberated and refounded by natives and defenders, as was Egypt following a DEN invasion (AWPs delegate was a seven year native of the region dating back to the early days of NS). For South America, the defender lead for the eventual liberation was Second Watch (Falconias) on 28th September 2009 and the next day Feudal Japan was liberated, with the leads Marshgrassistan (Sedge), Second Watch (Falconias) and Petalumadom (Neasmyrna) on 29th September 2009. Around 50 defender nations on each lib.

My favourite operation that year was the defence of Rajahland though, which was an attempted invasion by Europeia, The Last Kingdom, The New Inquisition and Great Britain & Ireland with the invader lead JollyGreenGiant, as well as later being joined by a huge group of raiders from Gatesville, Luvonia, The Black Hawks, The Blades of Conquest, The Belisarian Empire, The European Empire, DEN, Aezean Combine, The Brotherhood of Blood, New Folsom, One Big Island, Mencer, Great Green Federation, Lone Wolves United and The Northwest Pacific. The region was initially defended by TITO and 00000 A World Power (led by Grub, Anime Daisuki and myself) and later joined by the rest of the FRA, Equilism, FAN, Fidelia, Texas, Pacific Defenders and The Black Market.

Both sides pulled huge numbers given the low activity levels NS-wide at the time (which is also why coups where easier to attempt) but defenders ultimately won by 122 endorsements to 104, installing Titanica as delegate (Grub's WA nation (actual Grub)).

Another notable raid was Novus Orsa, which occurred at the same time as Rajahland. It was originally being invaded by Brightonburg and Twins of Hearts and successfully defended but more invader nations moved in and former native (and active defender at the time) The Dead Angels/Joshua was tricked into thinking that Pockerocketlockit was a valid native lead, when it was really Ofcrazed from DEN who had kept it there as a long time sleeper. Defenders moved in and put Pockerocketlockit into the delegacy only to find out that they had raided the region for DEN.

[Darkesia]

That is a fantastic history post! Thanks for digging all that up.

[Wabbitslayah]

That is a fantastic history post! Thanks for digging all that up.

He doesn't do any of that. He actively still lives in the past as an Intel guy.

[Numero Capitan]

That is a fantastic history post! Thanks for digging all that up.

He doesn't do any of that. He actively still lives in the past as an Intel guy.

I've been sending MSN messages to my intel network since 2009 to get to the bottom of a few things, still waiting for you guys to respond

[Bormiar]

Wow that is a great post. Very objective and interesting.

Nice job expanding upon mine .

[94 Black]

Wait so you answer NS history questions right?


Why does everybody hate me so much ?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Wait so you answer NS history questions right?


Why does everybody hate me so much ?

This could be answered, but we don't usually have megathreads in Gameplay.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Wait so you answer NS history questions right?


Why does everybody hate me so much ?

This could be answered, but we don't usually have megathreads in Gameplay.

It'd also be the height of redundancy - Block knows why.

[The Blaatschapen]

Wait so you answer NS history questions right?


Why does everybody hate me so much ?

Who are you?

[Valentine Z]

I have asked this on Discord, but I thought I will ask here:

Are there raiders/defenders that accept payment by cards (Legs or Epics, or something they are eyeing at from your collection)? You either let them do the raiding first, or they will only do the raiding once you gift them the card and hope that they will hold their end of the bargain?

Mercenary Raiders/Defenders, if you will!

EDIT: And if that happened, of course... anything famous or infamous out of it?

[The Church of Satan]

I have asked this on Discord, but I thought I will ask here:

Are there raiders/defenders that accept payment by cards (Legs or Epics, or something they are eyeing at from your collection)? You either let them do the raiding first, or they will only do the raiding once you gift them the card and hope that they will hold their end of the bargain?

Mercenary Raiders/Defenders, if you will!

I don't believe there's ever really been a form of payment in R/D for defenders/raiders for hire. Positions in a resulting government or some such thing perhaps but that was generally for coups and stuff. Now that you mention it though I'm sure there will be people offering their services in exchange for cards.

[Numero Capitan]

A question:

Have any other regions simultaneously held all of the Warzones at once (unassisted)?

I know that AWP did it (September 2009) and at the time we understood that the YoungWorld and a few others (Galts Gulch?) had fought over the Warzones regularly in their early days, but none of them had held all of them at once


Also...

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Wop could probably be bought this way, but most r/d groups aren't for sale. There has usually been some kind of mercenary group trying to create a system for payment of their services but generally those haven't worked and/or predated cards. I suspect Aav might be the best person to ask about that?

There is also the issue of who receives payment. Recruiting a single individual probably won't help anyone that much, so would you over that payment to every member of a regions military.

[Wopruthien]

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Wop could probably be bought this way, but most r/d groups aren't for sale. There has usually been some kind of mercenary group trying to create a system for payment of their services but generally those haven't worked and/or predated cards. I suspect Aav might be the best person to ask about that?

There is also the issue of who receives payment. Recruiting a single individual probably won't help anyone that much, so would you over that payment to every member of a regions military.

I'd have to find my WA first

I'm pretty sure I could be convinced to return to defending with anyone of the 25 epics I have left to collect (take note Karp/Fratt).

[Novae Romae]

So I've asked some people before privately why the CCD has the reputation of being fascist, including members of the CCD themselves, but i havent gotten a clear answer. I've also asked defender regions but I've gotten no response at all or have been met with "they just are", so thats why I've gone to this thread. I'm pretty sure it may have been asked ages ago but I'll ask again nonetheless.

[Jar Wattinree]

So I've asked some people before privately why the CCD has the reputation of being fascist, including members of the CCD themselves, but i havent gotten a clear answer. I've also asked defender regions but I've gotten no response at all or have been met with "they just are", so thats why I've gone to this thread. I'm pretty sure it may have been asked ages ago but I'll ask again nonetheless.

Some of the evidence may be found in the original SC threads where this was brought up.

1: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=450071
2: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=462052

[Armaros]

So I've asked some people before privately why the CCD has the reputation of being fascist, including members of the CCD themselves, but i havent gotten a clear answer. I've also asked defender regions but I've gotten no response at all or have been met with "they just are", so thats why I've gone to this thread. I'm pretty sure it may have been asked ages ago but I'll ask again nonetheless.

Some of the evidence may be found in the original SC threads where this was brought up.

1: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=450071
2: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=462052

viewtopic.php?p=34526383#p34526383

[Jar Wattinree]

Some of the evidence may be found in the original SC threads where this was brought up.

1: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=450071
2: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=462052

viewtopic.php?p=34526383#p34526383

Had to double-check and make sure it wasn't a double-post. Xd

[Kuriko]

Then you also have these two:
viewtopic.php?p=35381541#p35381541
Which shows all the embassies they've had with Nazi/Fascist regions.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=460511&p=35379991#p35379940
Where they admit they had the fascist tag themselves.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170109152105/https://www.nationstates.net/region=confederation_of_corrupt_dictators
Which shows they had the fascist tag back in 2017.

Then you have these two screenshots:

Which shows how they added the tag fascist to Sol Republic when they occupied it for a time.

And last, but certainly not least, a telegram Jocospor himself sent to CAIN.

[Lord Dominator]

I have asked this on Discord, but I thought I will ask here:

Are there raiders/defenders that accept payment by cards (Legs or Epics, or something they are eyeing at from your collection)? You either let them do the raiding first, or they will only do the raiding once you gift them the card and hope that they will hold their end of the bargain?

Mercenary Raiders/Defenders, if you will!

EDIT: And if that happened, of course... anything famous or infamous out of it?

No org of any alignment to my knowledge does active mercenary work in any manner. Individual R/Ders perhaps, though I'm unclear to what use a mercenary defender has.