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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:42 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: How is this not Honest Mistake for not addressing the target resolution's contents rather than ideology?


The HM rule doesn't bar ideological arguments. The ideology in IWF is part of the proposal. Accepting, ad arguendo, that the repeal only addresses the underlying assumptions behind the policy in IWF, the contents are still addressed by virtue of addressing the faulty assumption.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:07 am

OOC: "Content that does not address the resolution" does not leave the kind of wriggle room - the whole point of the rule is that you can't use the exact same wording to repeal several resolutions. Ideological reasoning only makes that possible.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:26 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: "Content that does not address the resolution" does not leave the kind of wriggle room - the whole point of the rule is that you can't use the exact same wording to repeal several resolutions. Ideological reasoning only makes that possible.


OOC: The underlying assumptions in the repeal are clearly particularized to IWF
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:49 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: "Content that does not address the resolution" does not leave the kind of wriggle room - the whole point of the rule is that you can't use the exact same wording to repeal several resolutions. Ideological reasoning only makes that possible.


OOC: The underlying assumptions in the repeal are clearly particularized to IWF


OOC: Indeed, I'm unclear how
...Disdaining to conceal the chief agent of this degradation -- a select group of greedy parasites, who, when not enslaving the masses in serfdom, enslave them in debt, long working hours, and humiliating labour practices,

Making the subversive observation that the forces of reaction, egged on by those very same leeches, have hijacked this august Assembly to preserve this, the status quo, in the form of a General Assembly resolution designed for the sole and exclusive purpose of preventing progress on labour rights,

Calling for a comprehensive, carefully-crafted resolution that sets forth a framework for workweek regulation, not based on hours, but rather on the mental and physical health and freedom of the working class...

...could be used as an argument against any other existing resolution.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:04 am

(OOC: Is the last clause legal, since it makes the proposal from the perspective of the working class rather than the World Assembly?)
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:53 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Is the last clause legal, since it makes the proposal from the perspective of the working class rather than the World Assembly?)

OOC: I don't get why you think it does? It's still the World Assembly acting and doing.


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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:06 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Is the last clause legal, since it makes the proposal from the perspective of the working class rather than the World Assembly?)

OOC: I don't get why you think it does? It's still the World Assembly acting and doing.

(OOC: ‘The working class of the General Assembly ... strikes 302 GA ... from its laws.’ That’s the working class of the WA acting and doing, not the organisation itself. I’m happy to be proved wrong, since I like the idea, but I can’t find any precedent for this.)
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Postby Refuge Isle » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:52 am

I think the style your aiming for is something like, "The General Assembly, representing the will of the working class.." rather than the other way around.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:53 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: I don't get why you think it does? It's still the World Assembly acting and doing.

(OOC: ‘The working class of the General Assembly ... strikes 302 GA ... from its laws.’ That’s the working class of the WA acting and doing, not the organisation itself. I’m happy to be proved wrong, since I like the idea, but I can’t find any precedent for this.)

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It does look rather iffy, I agree.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:25 am

Very well. Consider it fixed.
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