by New Socialist South Africa » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:02 pm
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
by Shrillland » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:07 pm
by Heloin » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:08 am
New Socialist South Africa wrote:Personally I'd quite like to see the party fracture in two, with the black caucus either holding onto power and driving the party to become center-left, with the Old Progs going off to form a new center right party for the white middle class and elite, or with the black caucus leaving to form a new centrist party for the black middle class, while the old Progs 'take back' their old party. South Africa's Proportional Representation system would allow both the hold some seats, and it would be good to watch often DA supporters have to clearly pick a side, rather than expressing vague support for the broad centrist mess of conflicting ideas that the party currently is.
by New Socialist South Africa » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:01 am
Heloin wrote:Alan Winde is fairly competent but it really is a sign that what the DA needs is some good candidates to put forward and an actual idea of what the party stands for. Mmusi Maimane staying as leader would probably be for the best even if he's not that great.New Socialist South Africa wrote:Personally I'd quite like to see the party fracture in two, with the black caucus either holding onto power and driving the party to become center-left, with the Old Progs going off to form a new center right party for the white middle class and elite, or with the black caucus leaving to form a new centrist party for the black middle class, while the old Progs 'take back' their old party. South Africa's Proportional Representation system would allow both the hold some seats, and it would be good to watch often DA supporters have to clearly pick a side, rather than expressing vague support for the broad centrist mess of conflicting ideas that the party currently is.
That sounds like the worst idea possible. With the massively xenophobic and racist EFF on the rise and the ANC on the way out the last thing needed is to make it easier for basically the new National Party to take power.
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:10 am
by Heloin » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:05 pm
New Socialist South Africa wrote:Heloin wrote:Alan Winde is fairly competent but it really is a sign that what the DA needs is some good candidates to put forward and an actual idea of what the party stands for. Mmusi Maimane staying as leader would probably be for the best even if he's not that great.
That sounds like the worst idea possible. With the massively xenophobic and racist EFF on the rise and the ANC on the way out the last thing needed is to make it easier for basically the new National Party to take power.
I have my own disagreements with the EFF, but it hardly makes sense to call them xenophobic. Indeed, if anything they've been very pro-immigrant, stating that they want Africans to be exempt from South Africa's immigration laws, and has taken a firm stance against xenophobia (https://www.nwivisas.com/nwi-blog/south-africa/eff-calls-for-scrapping-of-immigration-laws-for-africans/ and https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-02-04-eff-manifesto-malema-takes-a-calculated-gamble-with-anti-xenophobic-rhetoric/).
This is at the same time as the ANC, and the DA in particular have been dialing up their support for immigration restrictions, with both campaigning in 2019 to "secure our borders". The DA's mayor in Johannesburg, Herman Mashaba, also refused to apologies following a wave of xenophobic violence in the city, and has blamed the ANC for causing the violence for being too lax in their control of the border, and in allowing in too many immigrants.
I certainly don't trust them, but I wouldn't go as far as to call them the new National Party, in my mind that title goes to the VF+, and their allies in AfriForum.
by A z a n i a » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:29 pm
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by Costa Fierro » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:10 pm
by New Socialist South Africa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:38 am
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
by New Socialist South Africa » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:08 am
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
by Shrillland » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:07 am
by New Socialist South Africa » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:22 am
Shrillland wrote:Maimane has resigned as head of the DA: https://www.yahoo.com/news/leader-south-africa-main-opposition-154609328.html
This...this is really bad. Now the DA's going to spend the next year fighting over a successor while the EFF works to position themselves as the real opposition.
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
by New Socialist South Africa » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:02 am
Olthar wrote:Anyone who buys "x-ray specs" expecting them to be real deserves to lose their money.
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