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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
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No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
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Unsure.
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No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:12 pm

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Do you need an examination to vote? How about to speak? To gather with friends?


A firearm is a tool, like a car.
What you have mentioned are not tools.

Voting, speech, and gathering are tools.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:48 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
A firearm is a tool, like a car.
What you have mentioned are not tools.

Voting, speech, and gathering are tools.

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Postby Kernen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:05 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Voting, speech, and gathering are tools.

tool

/to͞ol/

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verb

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impress a design on (leather, especially a leather book cover).
"volumes bound in green leather and tooled in gold"

2.
equip or be equipped with tools for industrial production.
"the factory must be tooled to produce the models"

You know that the idea of a tool can be intangible, right? Anybody with a collegiate writing class is familiar with this.
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Postby Kernen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:32 am



The NRA should arm the LGBT community. We could engage in some liberal, feel-good armed resistance.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:36 am

Kernen wrote:


The NRA should arm the LGBT community. We could engage in some liberal, feel-good armed resistance.


You think an openly right wing organisation is going to go for that?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kernen wrote:
The NRA should arm the LGBT community. We could engage in some liberal, feel-good armed resistance.


You think an openly right wing organisation is going to go for that?

Get the pink pistols involved.
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Postby Kernen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kernen wrote:
The NRA should arm the LGBT community. We could engage in some liberal, feel-good armed resistance.


You think an openly right wing organisation is going to go for that?

I said should, not that I expect it to. One can dream of an inclusive, armed community. Donate to the Pink Pistols, friend, and you too can enjoy a fabulous patrol.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:40 am

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Postby Kernen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:43 am



To be fair, I'm not entirely sure the NRA would be altogether upset if Shapiro did it.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:46 am

Kernen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if Ben Shapiro represents NRA policy.

Psst. He doesn't.


To be fair, I'm not entirely sure the NRA would be altogether upset if Shapiro did it.


A lot of people wouldn't they aren't the issue tho.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:50 am


Guess that's what right-wingers really mean when they claim he destroys liberals with facts and logic. "Facts and Logic" being a semiautomatic.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:32 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Guess that's what right-wingers really mean when they claim he destroys liberals with facts and logic. "Facts and Logic" being a semiautomatic.

have any right wingers actually claimed that here?


"destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC" is pretty much the title of every one of his videos.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:32 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Guess that's what right-wingers really mean when they claim he destroys liberals with facts and logic. "Facts and Logic" being a semiautomatic.

have any right wingers actually claimed that here?


Shhhhh, facts and logic aren't allowed.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:37 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC" is pretty much the title of every one of his videos.

Meligoland wrote:have any right wingers actually claimed that here?


So basically you're ignoring his entire shtick in favour of picking apart the exact wording of a post.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:40 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Guess that's what right-wingers really mean when they claim he destroys liberals with facts and logic. "Facts and Logic" being a semiautomatic.

have any right wingers actually claimed that here?


In his mind yes. After all he literally just accused me of supporting genocide for not agreeing with Torrocca.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Meligoland wrote:


So basically you're ignoring his entire shtick in favour of picking apart the exact wording of a post.

It's like FOXNews talking about hamburger emojis when the inquiry was announced. ;)
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:46 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So basically you're ignoring his entire shtick in favour of picking apart the exact wording of a post.

so basically i'm pointing out that he's claiming right wingers do this even when no right wingers here have actually done it. it's just an excuse to sling shit without any real basis. and it looks like you happily do it too. how surprising.


"I haven't seen it happen so it hasn't happened"
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Meligoland wrote:so basically i'm pointing out that he's claiming right wingers do this even when no right wingers here have actually done it. it's just an excuse to sling shit without any real basis. and it looks like you happily do it too. how surprising.


"I haven't seen it happen so it hasn't happened"


So you don't know how debates work either? Allow me to tell you how things work - When you make a claim, it's up to you to provide evidence not the other way around.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm

Meligoland wrote:

>using a meme as evidence that tons of right wingers do this but ignoring the fact that tons of rightists use it as well because not everyone on the right likes Ben Shapiro

:rofl:

"Vassenor DESTROYS Meligoland with FACTS and LOGIC"


So you're sticking your head in the sand so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

I don't recall anyone else saying "tons of right wingers". Just "right wingers do this".
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:52 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Meligoland wrote:>using a meme as evidence that tons of right wingers do this but ignoring the fact that tons of rightists use it as well because not everyone on the right likes Ben Shapiro

:rofl:

"Vassenor DESTROYS Meligoland with FACTS and LOGIC"


So you're sticking your head in the sand so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

I don't recall anyone else saying "tons of right wingers". Just "right wingers do this".


Is Ben Shapiro two people. Because so far you haven't even managed to prove the plural part of that.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:07 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're sticking your head in the sand so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

I don't recall anyone else saying "tons of right wingers". Just "right wingers do this".

and i'll ask again which right wingers? you can't name a single one besides Ben Shapiro himself despite your ridiculous shit slinging.

Talking like the only right wingers on the internet are all on NSG. That's cute. Did I say "NSG right wingers"?
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Postby 2nd Empire of Persia » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:27 pm

Gormwood wrote:

Guess that's what right-wingers really mean when they claim he destroys liberals with facts and logic. "Facts and Logic" being a semiautomatic.


he "destroys" college students whom are half his age. When he is backed into a corner by another adult, he whines like a baby and runs away.

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Postby Ors Might » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:34 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Meligoland wrote:and i'll ask again which right wingers? you can't name a single one besides Ben Shapiro himself despite your ridiculous shit slinging.

Talking like the only right wingers on the internet are all on NSG. That's cute. Did I say "NSG right wingers"?

You said “right wingers”, which is so vague and broad a term as to be entirely useless for this discussion. Do a number of right wingers like Ben Shapiro? Probably. What relevance does it have in regards to the NRA, which does not impose a political spectrum test upon members?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Meligoland wrote:have any right wingers actually claimed that here?


Shhhhh, facts and logic aren't allowed.

You mean hyperbole and metaphor, Vass has the exclusive rights to those on this forum.

If anyone else does it it's just strawmanning.
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