Turkish military offensive in Syria/Rojava

[The Alma Mater]

The Glorious Turkish Army Is Combating Terrorism.

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What a cretinous analogy. Helping ISIS and destroying the only hope of true democracy in Syria and the end of tyranny is not 'combatting terrorism'. It is quite the opposite, it is terrorism. Erdogan is a terrorist and neo-ottomanism is a fundamentally terroristic ideology.

Considering Erdogan has long been rumoured to be the founder, chief financier and main supplier of ISIS this really should not surprise anyone.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I disagree with a lot of what you said, but you are right about one thing, Rojava is far from being a good state. It’s continued support of terrorism, persecution of Arabs, and horrible human rights record often goes ignored by the far left which holds it up as the poster child of successful communism (this really says more about the far-left than Rojava imo)

So many claims, but no sauce to go with it.

Are you not aware of Rojava’s treatment of its native Arabs? Or PKK terrorism in Turkey?

[Agarntrop]

So many claims, but no sauce to go with it.

Are you not aware one Rojava’s treatment of its native Arabs? Or PKK terrorism in Turkey?

Rojava and PKK are seperate things.

[Nakena]

Hmmm:

Despite the tightened border, Kurds from Turkey remain well represented in the YPG, further underscoring the group’s links to the PKK. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kurdish fighter Zind Ruken expanded on the PKK-YPG relationship. “Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK [the PKK-allied affiliate, active in Iran], sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK.”

The YPG’s casualty data confirms linkages between international PKK-linked groups. Kurds from Turkey total 49.24 percent of the YPG’s self-reported casualties between January 2013 and January 2016, according to an ongoing Atlantic Council study. YPG martyrdom notices show that 359 Turkish citizens, 323 Syrians, 32 Iranians, seven Iraqis, two Australians, two Azeris, and a person from England, Germany, Greece, and the United States each have been killed fighting with the group since January 2013. To be sure, there are methodological problems with the data: The two authors relied on self-reported numbers and have not been able to cross-reference this information with the PYD.

Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Nobody wants neo-ottomanism, all we want is peace and security of the region.Assad and Turkey should sit at the table for peace

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Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.

You should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.I don't think it's a dream

[United Muscovite Nations]

Seems like the Turks are making good headway.

[Thermodolia]

Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.

You should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.

Says the propagandaist for the wannabe sultan

[Wallenburg]

So many claims, but no sauce to go with it.

Are you not aware one Rojava’s treatment of its native Arabs? Or PKK terrorism in Turkey?

PKK terrorism in Turkey is a rather distinct issue from Rojava's policy in Syria.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Hmmm:

Despite the tightened border, Kurds from Turkey remain well represented in the YPG, further underscoring the group’s links to the PKK. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kurdish fighter Zind Ruken expanded on the PKK-YPG relationship. “Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK [the PKK-allied affiliate, active in Iran], sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK.”

The YPG’s casualty data confirms linkages between international PKK-linked groups. Kurds from Turkey total 49.24 percent of the YPG’s self-reported casualties between January 2013 and January 2016, according to an ongoing Atlantic Council study. YPG martyrdom notices show that 359 Turkish citizens, 323 Syrians, 32 Iranians, seven Iraqis, two Australians, two Azeris, and a person from England, Germany, Greece, and the United States each have been killed fighting with the group since January 2013. To be sure, there are methodological problems with the data: The two authors relied on self-reported numbers and have not been able to cross-reference this information with the PYD.

Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/

Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Are you not aware one Rojava’s treatment of its native Arabs? Or PKK terrorism in Turkey?

Rojava and PKK are seperate things.

Rojava more often than not funds PKK’s operations

[Vistulange]

Kurds get fucked over once again and im sure we will be hearing all about a bunch of war crimes in the next few months with the Turks fucking slaughtering them.

I wasn't aware I was doing any slaughtering, Huskar. Are you sure you don't mean Turkey, the country?

Most of the people living in that Rojava territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.

A relatively recent paper - 2016-ish - by Zeki Sarıgil and Ekrem Karakoç states that only about 32% of Kurds in Turkey supported secession in 2013, prior to the Peace Process.

If you like, I can relay any questions you have to Sarıgil in person.

[Wallenburg]

Rojava and PKK are seperate things.

Rojava more often than not funds PKK’s operations

The blog post there doesn't make that claim though.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Kurds get fucked over once again and im sure we will be hearing all about a bunch of war crimes in the next few months with the Turks fucking slaughtering them.

I wasn't aware I was doing any slaughtering, Huskar. Are you sure you don't mean Turkey, the country?

Most of the people living in that Rojava territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.

A relatively recent paper - 2016-ish - by Zeki Sarıgil and Ekrem Karakoç states that only about 32% of Kurds in Turkey supported secession in 2013, prior to the Peace Process.

If you like, I can relay any questions you have to Sarıgil in person.

I did mean the country of Turkey, same way in the MAGA thread when i made a comment about the Americans shafting the kurds again i was referring to the United States of America.

[Heloin]

Most of the people living in that Rojave territory of this imaginary Turkmeneli are Kurds and want nothing to do with Turkey. The same thing is true on the other side of the border actually.

You should see that Ypg and Pkk terrorists do not represent the Kurds in the region.

You can tell this because the PKK are extremely unpopular with local Kurds, oh wait.

Hmmm:



Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/

Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.

Turkey has legitimate grievances. Nearly all of those grievances happened because of their treatment of Kurdish people in Turkey however.

[Vistulange]

I wasn't aware I was doing any slaughtering, Huskar. Are you sure you don't mean Turkey, the country?



A relatively recent paper - 2016-ish - by Zeki Sarıgil and Ekrem Karakoç states that only about 32% of Kurds in Turkey supported secession in 2013, prior to the Peace Process.

If you like, I can relay any questions you have to Sarıgil in person.

I did mean the country of Turkey, same way in the MAGA thread when i made a comment about the Americans shafting the kurds again i was referring to the United States of America.

Right.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Seems like the Turks are making good headway.

Towards the fight against terrorists, but the management is wrong.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I did mean the country of Turkey, same way in the MAGA thread when i made a comment about the Americans shafting the kurds again i was referring to the United States of America.

Right.

Im not saying every turk is gona go out an kill someone or that every turk would be responsible, if you read it that way im sorry not my intention.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Seems like the Turks are making good headway.

Towards the fight against terrorists, but the management is wrong.

Will you stop with the pics.

[Vistulange]

Right.

Im not saying every turk is gona go out an kill someone or that every turk would be responsible, if you read it that way im sorry not my intention.

It is, however, precisely the meaning behind the sentence you formed, whatever your intention is. It is ironically the exact same idea as equating "Kurd" with "PKK" that happens all too often in Turkey. Framing is quite important, as this entire fifty-year old tragedy is showing to us.

You can tell this because the PKK are extremely unpopular with local Kurds, oh wait.

Extremely unpopular, no. Overly popular?

Not really. Sarıgil and Karakoç (2019) demonstrate that in 2013, 44.6% of Kurds answered "yes" to the survey question of whether they supported the PKK or not, and interestingly enough, they establish a causal relation between this and peace, not violence.

Citation: https://doi.org/10.1017/S1755048319000312

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im not saying every turk is gona go out an kill someone or that every turk would be responsible, if you read it that way im sorry not my intention.

It is, however, precisely the meaning behind the sentence you formed, whatever your intention is. It is ironically the exact same idea as equating "Kurd" with "PKK" that happens all too often in Turkey. Framing is quite important, as this entire fifty-year old tragedy is showing to us.

Thats fair. Ill try and frame stuff better from now on if i post more in this thread.

[Nea Byzantia]

Hmmm:



Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/

Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.

Being a Greek, I'm not exactly a fan of Turkey; but that being said, even I will admit the Turks have legitimate grievances against the YPG.

[Vistulange]

Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.

Being a Greek, I'm not exactly a fan of Turkey; but that being said, even I will admit the Turks have legitimate grievances against the YPG.

Being Greek does not necessitate that you not be a fan of Turkey.

[The Rapture Republic]

Meh. I'm happy troops are coming finally, wished all troops still stationed in the middle east would come home too. We have no right to be there in the first place. The only thing that can fix the region is the region, itself, regardless of what methods must be used to achieve stability without American interference.

[Nea Byzantia]

Being a Greek, I'm not exactly a fan of Turkey; but that being said, even I will admit the Turks have legitimate grievances against the YPG.

Being Greek does not necessitate that you not be a fan of Turkey.

Sure it does. Turkey used us, abused us, enslaved us, and tried to make us all Muslim and Turkish for 400 years (during the Ottoman times); then genocided us and kicked the Asia Minor Greeks out of their ancestral homelands (1913 - 1923). On top of it, Turkey has refused to acknowledge these historic abuses. Not only this, but Turkey is still pressing on our borders; and pressing on the borders of our brothers in Cyprus.

This doesn't mean I hate all individual Turks; I just have beef with Turkey.

[Agarntrop]

Hmmm:



Sauce: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... onnection/

Yeah, I always hate how people pretend Turkey has no legitimate grievances about the YPG.

Well I always hate how people pretend actions the PKK/YPG have commited against the Turks are always unjustified.