Right Wing Media claims climate activist child abuse victim

[Kowani]

Which is literally the whole point that Thunberg and most climate activists are trying to make??? That there are policies that could solve or at least mitigate these problems but not enough is being done to implement them??

A big thing everyone seems to miss is, you need to pressure more than just Europe and America.
The United States, the European Union, Canada, and Japan together barely stack up to China's emissions alone. Not only that, but America and the EU have seen a decrease in emissions since 1990; Canada and Japan saw a small increase, and China has gone up by almost a factor of five. In under thirty years, China went from half to double the US's emissions.

If you want to reduce global carbon emissions, a major source of global warming, something will have to be done about Chinese industry. Constantly ragging on America and Europe to do more will only get you so far.
Maybe talk to India, too, though more for the trash in their rivers, which as with greenhouse gas emissions, China is the worst offender for.

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

[Gormwood]

A big thing everyone seems to miss is, you need to pressure more than just Europe and America.
The United States, the European Union, Canada, and Japan together barely stack up to China's emissions alone. Not only that, but America and the EU have seen a decrease in emissions since 1990; Canada and Japan saw a small increase, and China has gone up by almost a factor of five. In under thirty years, China went from half to double the US's emissions.

If you want to reduce global carbon emissions, a major source of global warming, something will have to be done about Chinese industry. Constantly ragging on America and Europe to do more will only get you so far.
Maybe talk to India, too, though more for the trash in their rivers, which as with greenhouse gas emissions, China is the worst offender for.

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

It's like if a country has low standards for things like the environment businesses want to set up there.

[Torrocca]

A big thing everyone seems to miss is, you need to pressure more than just Europe and America.
The United States, the European Union, Canada, and Japan together barely stack up to China's emissions alone. Not only that, but America and the EU have seen a decrease in emissions since 1990; Canada and Japan saw a small increase, and China has gone up by almost a factor of five. In under thirty years, China went from half to double the US's emissions.

If you want to reduce global carbon emissions, a major source of global warming, something will have to be done about Chinese industry. Constantly ragging on America and Europe to do more will only get you so far.
Maybe talk to India, too, though more for the trash in their rivers, which as with greenhouse gas emissions, China is the worst offender for.

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

Also, there's the fact of the matter that the USA has more than double the per capita emissions of China despite having only like a third of the population of China, and released just under half of what China did in CO2 emissions in 2017. That, coupled with the fact that the USA's making even less effort to curtail emissions than China is, is a huge fucking problem.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

I have a new entry for my signature.

[Loben The 2nd]

A big thing everyone seems to miss is, you need to pressure more than just Europe and America.
The United States, the European Union, Canada, and Japan together barely stack up to China's emissions alone. Not only that, but America and the EU have seen a decrease in emissions since 1990; Canada and Japan saw a small increase, and China has gone up by almost a factor of five. In under thirty years, China went from half to double the US's emissions.

If you want to reduce global carbon emissions, a major source of global warming, something will have to be done about Chinese industry. Constantly ragging on America and Europe to do more will only get you so far.
Maybe talk to India, too, though more for the trash in their rivers, which as with greenhouse gas emissions, China is the worst offender for.

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

no matter how you kick and scream at the end of the day its still their fault.

[Farnhamia]

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

I have a new entry for my signature.

Which makes your signature two lines too big. A quote box with one line in it is four lines. You have two quote boxes plus blank lines.

[Liriena]

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

no matter how you kick and scream at the end of the day its still their fault.

It's not their capital and their consumers that's fueling it. Maybe try giving a little bit of depth to your economic thought.

[Bear Stearns]

Another charlatan of the Romanist con-artists sent to bring down America and submit us to a tyrannical Marian rule, enslaved by cardinals and archbishops.

[Farnhamia]

Another charlatan of the Romanist con-artists sent to bring down America and submit us to a tyrannical Marian rule, enslaved by cardinals and archbishops.

Knock it off with the anti-Catholic trolling/spam or you'll be more than *** warned for trolling. ***

[Bear Stearns]

Another charlatan of the Romanist con-artists sent to bring down America and submit us to a tyrannical Marian rule, enslaved by cardinals and archbishops.

Knock it off with the anti-Catholic trolling/spam or you'll be more than *** warned for trolling. ***

sorry im just drunk rn, best if i stop posting before i break more rules. have a good night.

[Luziyca]

Ah, gotta love that spineless """morality""". You know your ideology's depraved as hell when you've gotten to the point where you're gaslighting and publicly harassing a child for the most heinous crime of wanting to protect our one and only planet from environmental collapse. At least equally depraved - if not moreso - is how some of these fuckers have had the gall to insinuate that raping a child is morally equivalent to a child speaking out about climate change.

Agreed.

[Aclion]

Exaggeration is when you talk about an apocalyptic event that cannot be averted when
1. it's not apocalyptic, just disruptive AF

If vast swathes of the planet become uninhabitable, staples of food sources become untenable, and devastating weather effects like hurricanes and dry spells become much more frequent, then that's not just "disruptive AF". That's literally doom for millions - if not outright billions - of people.

2. we already know how to avert it and

Knowing how to avert it and actually taking the actions necessary to avert it are two entirely different things. Also, that's literally the exact point Thunberg and numerous other activists have been making, so now you're just saying that your own point of people screaming about "doomsday fantasies" is a lie.

3. you ignore that many countries, including the country you're giving you're speech in are already reducing their carbon emissions significantly, and are already below their 2020 targets

You don’t get to call it Chinese industry when American corporations are the ones outsourcing their labor.

You do when China chooses to power it's industry with Coal. Doesn't matter what the nationality of the labor is. What matters is climate policy.



Back your words up with some proof, then, champ, since you seem keen on disregarding the science showing how bad things are getting.

You want to talk to your kids about climate change fine. That's good. But don't exaggerate, don't ignore the work being done, and don't pretend we don't have solutions.

Nobody's fucking exaggerating, except perhaps for you, since you keep trying desperately to downplay the real, devastating effects climate change can and will have on the globe, the beginnings of which we're already starting to see.

The proof is in your own citation. also

Also, there's the fact of the matter that the USA has more than double the per capita emissions of China despite having only like a third of the population of China, and released just under half of what China did in CO2 emissions in 2017. That, coupled with the fact that the USA's making even less effort to curtail emissions than China is, is a huge fucking problem.

The US is consistently #1 in carbon reduction every year, with the last two years, years we've been coming out of a recession the first that we fell out of first place since ww2, meanwhile China has been not only the number on emitter, but number one in increasing emissions for over a decade now. If you want our efforts to mean anything you have to have a way to deal with China's emissions.

no matter how you kick and scream at the end of the day its still their fault.

It's not their capital and their consumers that's fueling it.

It is their coal.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The US is consistently #1 in carbon reduction every year, with the last two years, years we've been coming out of a recession the first that we fell out of first place since ww2, meanwhile China has been not only the number on emitter, but number one in increasing emissions for over a decade now. If you want our efforts to mean anything you have to have a way to deal with China's emissions.

The Denialist Staircase:
Not only deny global warming, but insist the opposite is occurring, pushing the degree of denialism to the verge of the delusional.

Simply deny global warming is happening and maintain that no action is necessary — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, but it’s not caused by humanity — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but mostly it's caused by solar activity — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but predicting future emission levels is equivalent to astrology — so we don't have to change anything, Ehrlich!

Global warming is caused by humanity, but it may be a good thing — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but [insert emotional appeal and/or false dichotomy about how doing anything about it would prevent the world's poor from improving their lives] — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but there are still more serious crises that deserve higher priority — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but it's just human sin, so outside of worthless praying, we don't have to change anything.

YOU ARE HERE --> Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but China and India aren't doing anything — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, and maybe China and India are willing to do something, but I've heard about this new energy source/technology that's going to completely solve the problem in 10-20 years — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but even if China and India do something it’s too late for us to do anything and it would cost us a shitload of dough — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming was happening, it was caused by humanity, it is a very bad thing and previous governments could and should have done something, but it's too late now!

And may I remind you that two wrongs don't make a right? Just because China produces high quantities of carbon emissions doesn't suddenly give America or any other country for that matter the right to fill the atmosphere with pollutants and eviscerate its environment as it sees fit. And China along with India have already started transitioning to renewable energy and taking concerted action to reduce their emissions:
Overview of China and India's renewable energy sectors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_India

Sources on China:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdud ... uperpower/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1VK087
https://www.csis.org/east-green-chinas- ... ble-energy
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-china-tra ... goals.html

Sources on India:
https://www.ibef.org/industry/renewable-energy.aspx
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/in ... -capacity/
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6278

[Aclion]

YOU ARE HERE --> Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but China and India aren't doing anything — so we don’t have to change anything.

Except except as I've pointed out, we ARE doing things. In fact we are doing the most.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The Denialist Staircase:
Not only deny global warming, but insist the opposite is occurring, pushing the degree of denialism to the verge of the delusional.

Simply deny global warming is happening and maintain that no action is necessary — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, but it’s not caused by humanity — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but mostly it's caused by solar activity — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but predicting future emission levels is equivalent to astrology — so we don't have to change anything, Ehrlich!

Global warming is caused by humanity, but it may be a good thing — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but [insert emotional appeal and/or false dichotomy about how doing anything about it would prevent the world's poor from improving their lives] — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but there are still more serious crises that deserve higher priority — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but it's just human sin, so outside of worthless praying, we don't have to change anything.

YOU ARE HERE --> Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but China and India aren't doing anything — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, and maybe China and India are willing to do something, but I've heard about this new energy source/technology that's going to completely solve the problem in 10-20 years — so we don't have to change anything.

Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but even if China and India do something it’s too late for us to do anything and it would cost us a shitload of dough — so we don’t have to change anything.

Global warming was happening, it was caused by humanity, it is a very bad thing and previous governments could and should have done something, but it's too late now!

And may I remind you that two wrongs don't make a right? Just because China produces high quantities of carbon emissions doesn't suddenly give America or any other country for that matter the right to fill the atmosphere with pollutants and eviscerate its environment as it sees fit. And China along with India have already started transitioning to renewable energy and taking concerted action to reduce their emissions:
Overview of China and India's renewable energy sectors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_India

Sources on China:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdud ... uperpower/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1VK087
https://www.csis.org/east-green-chinas- ... ble-energy
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-china-tra ... goals.html

Sources on India:
https://www.ibef.org/industry/renewable-energy.aspx
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/in ... -capacity/
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6278

Except we ARE doing things. In fact we are doing the most.

Insufficiently howewer, given that the IPCC's latest report from 2018 didn't show a large-scale reduction in the projected temperature rise, and not only that, it also warns that in 11 years, we would already have passed the 1.5-2 degrees Celsius threshold if the current rate of emissions reduction remains unchanged. And with the Republicans working to eviscerate what little environmental protection and regulations America has, coupled with the departure from the Paris Climate Agreement, not even mentioning the enormous amount of climate denialism present in American society funded by the oil lobby, I am not making any illusions America will save the world from a climate crisis.

[Aclion]

Insufficiently however, given that the IPCC's latest report from 2018 didn't show a large-scale reduction in the projected temperature rise

Oh i'm sorry, I didn't realize the US was expected to prevent global warming all on it's own.

I am not making any illusions America will save the world from a climate crisis.

It absolutely wont. You're right. We need to get everyone to commit to our levels of reduction. The US can't prevent the crisis alone.

[Bloodshade]

Oh i'm sorry, I didn't realize the US was expected to prevent global warming all on it's own.

Considering the US's recent detrimental actions regarding environmental protections and climate change, that's not exactly the behavior of country that wants to lead the charge against global warming.

Compared to the US, when it comes to combating climate change, China at least has a larger share of its energy coming from renewable sources. Still though, their expanding economy's need for cheap electricity is still a problem. It depends on how effectively China can keep up with the economy's energy demands.

India is even ahead of both the US and China when it comes to combating climate change. According to Climate Action Tracker, India is the only G20 nation that has the 'Compatible' rating, which means their actions are compatible to holding global warming to below 2 degrees Celsius. I don't have to go into detail about how they've achieved such a rating as you can read about it in the previous source I've linked.

Do you want to compare China and India's cumulative CO2 emissions with the US? It seems that the only reason China and India are getting major flak is because their emissions were recent but they don't even come close to the total amount of emissions produced by the US. Frankly, it's ignorant to claim that the US is fighting climate change alone (since its current administration is completely dismissive of the problem) and to ignore or downplay the actions of other nations that are curtailing their dependence on fossil fuels.

[Ayissor]

Insufficiently however, given that the IPCC's latest report from 2018 didn't show a large-scale reduction in the projected temperature rise

Oh i'm sorry, I didn't realize the US was expected to prevent global warming all on it's own.

I am not making any illusions America will save the world from a climate crisis.

It absolutely wont. You're right. We need to get everyone to commit to our levels of reduction. The US can't prevent the crisis alone.

Wow, it has been pointed out to you that "They can't solve it alone" is no excuse to not do enough, and especially not an excuse to cut regulations, and you keep going with that argument?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im sooo shocked! Shocked i is i tell you!


Oh wait no im fucking not.

[Duhon]

I'm definitely of the mind that one can dispense of the middleman -- or in this case, the middlewoman, as Greta Thunberg is -- and lose nothing of importance. What role does Greta serve anyway, other than as a convenient rallying point for both right and left, who then use her for their purposes? If the girl has in her hands no new info that can't be provided by an actual expert in climatology or whatelse, why extend her the fifteen minutes of fame that expert can use more profitably?

(This, and I must stress this, does not excuse the bullying she has gotten from climate change deniers, who dispute not (just) her role and/or her message, but Greta herself.)

[The Alma Mater]

If the girl has in her hands no new info that can't be provided by an actual expert in climatology or whatelse, why extend her the fifteen minutes of fame that expert can use more profitably?

Because people do not listen to scientists. They do listen to passionate little girls.
And they listen even more to people who react to said girl with verbal abuse. And then slowly back away from those - and their viewpoint on climate change.

Which ironically means that this:

(This, and I must stress this, does not excuse the bullying she has gotten from climate change deniers, who dispute not (just) her role and/or her message, but Greta herself.)

is actually her greatest use. To provoke such hatred from the "moral" right that people move towards her position just to not be associated with her opponents.

[Salandriagado]

True things, you mean?

But it's not, climate doomerism is a meme. Yeah a 4 degree Celsius change would suck, would lead to more extreme weather patterns, probably cause water shortages in some areas and impact traditional methods of agriculture but that's a far cry from the extinction level nonsense some people cling to. Honestly doomers imo have been the most damaging thing to the climate change movement with the sole exception of anti-nuclear morons.

Stop lying: I'm literally directly quoting the actual facts here. My predictions are absolutely in line with the consensus, including with research conducted by fucking oil companies.

[Salandriagado]

to certain people shes the resurrection of christ.

she's a screaming 16-year old but we're supposed to act like she's a policy expert.

No, we're supposed to listen to her when she says "don't listen to me - listen to the experts".

Are people really acting as if she’s a policy expert? I haven’t heard her act like one. You may be exaggerating a smidge here.

she sure acts like it with all the policy changes she demands.

You've never actually listened to a single thing she's said, have you?

She doesn’t seem like one.

And let me stress that it was wrong to attack Kavanaugh’s family just because he is a public figure. And I think it’s deplorable that grownass adults attack this 16 year old because they disagree with her.

because she's demanding that grown adults radically change the ways they live.

and there's nothing wrong with attacking what she says. everyone has the right to disagree with her. she's not more morally virtuous just because she's an angry kid.

No, that's because she's (a) entirely correct, and (b) literally trying to save billions of lives.

[Salandriagado]

Well, let's see where that's gotten us..nowhere now, huh? We don't really have alot of time when it comes to climate change.

Realistically if climate change is going to be as bad as Gretta thinks it is.

Then there literally is nothing we can do but bend over and kiss our butts goodbye cause we're not going to be able to restructure our entire society in a way that won't suck for people.

(And I'm not talking about a Green New Deal because it (Even the Right Wing Strawman version of it that banned all meat and planes)) would have barely made a dent in stopping climate change because even if the US somehow went Carbon neutral EVERYONE ELSE WOULDN'T)

For the actual supposed level of work we'd have to do to really stop climate change, we'd likely have to stick large parts of the world under some sort of massive rationing system where electricity, pollution, and trash production was heavily regulated.

And we'd need a massive surveillance and police state to back such a system up. (And then we'd have to deal in the meat black market and people refusing to comply, likely even violently in some cases)

And even then it wouldn't actually stop climate change because the damage has been done. Yes even if every nation on the planet became carbon neutral by the end of the year climate change is still going to happen and it's still going to suck.

The US and EU are perfectly capable of forcing the world to go carbon neutral by economic means: you just add a tariff on absolutely all imports equal to the cost of mitigating all carbon emissions from their production and transport.

Also, this isn't a binary: there's a wide difference between "going to suck" and "globally catastrophic". The latter is what we're trying to avoid here.

[Salandriagado]

Again I want to point out today that the Daily Wire is essentially saying "Because she has two mental disabilities, her exercising her right to freedom of speech and freedom of protest is child abuse."

Not what they're saying. What they're saying is "terrifying a child with hysterical doomsday prophesies to the point that they're waking up with nightmares is child abuse." which, yeah, that's fuckin abusive as hell.

Except that, you know, that's not even remotely what happened. What actually happened was that Greta looked at the actual fucking science, and believed the conclusions.