by Australian rePublic » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:45 pm
by Joshenia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:51 pm
by Bombadil » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:03 pm
Joshenia wrote:Simply put the idea of communism itself presents us with a utopia where everyone is equal in wealth and social status but this idea cannot work because of human nature and other factors in its purest form the same way capitalism has never been practiced in its purest form. It is championed because the idea is beautiful and makes people feel good. Well all want good things after all.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:05 pm
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by Miami Shores » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:13 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Many left-wing places tend to champion communism. My question is why? Sure, capitalism can be, and often is, taken too far, companies can be above the law, but what we need for that is better regulation, not socialism. Socialism simply doesn't work. Everywhere that's tried socialism has turned itself into a shithole- Russia, under the communists, was a shithole. Sure, it wasn't the most democratic place under the Tsar, but it wasn't that much of a shithole. China- I know what everyone's gonna say "China is capitalist"- Yes, China is less communist now, than it was 30 years ago, but it's also less of a shithole now than it was 30 years ago. Coincidence? Venezuela- Venezuela is a shit hole, at least partially due to socialism. North Korea- shit hole, etc. etc. etc.
Yet, we have Westerners who champion this crap. Almost anyone who has lived in a socialist country will tell you, through their first hand experience, that socialism is shit. Sure, capitalism isn't perfect, and unregulated capitalism causes a lot of problems. In my opinion, the best balance is centrist/left-leaning capitalism, like we have in Australia, the Nordic countries and parts of Europe. And sure, America takes capitalism way, way too far, but I'd rather live in America than any socialist country, and most people would agree. And sure, there are poor people under capitalism, but far fewer than what there are under communism. My question is, why do people champion socialism/communism? It f**king sucks!
by Australian rePublic » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:13 pm
Bombadil wrote:Joshenia wrote:Simply put the idea of communism itself presents us with a utopia where everyone is equal in wealth and social status but this idea cannot work because of human nature and other factors in its purest form the same way capitalism has never been practiced in its purest form. It is championed because the idea is beautiful and makes people feel good. Well all want good things after all.
Well I'm sure they said democracy, women's rights, end of slavery etc., couldn't work because of human nature as well.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:15 pm
Bombadil wrote:Joshenia wrote:Simply put the idea of communism itself presents us with a utopia where everyone is equal in wealth and social status but this idea cannot work because of human nature and other factors in its purest form the same way capitalism has never been practiced in its purest form. It is championed because the idea is beautiful and makes people feel good. Well all want good things after all.
Well I'm sure they said democracy, women's rights, end of slavery etc., couldn't work because of human nature as well.
by Pacomia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Bombadil wrote:
Well I'm sure they said democracy, women's rights, end of slavery etc., couldn't work because of human nature as well.
The difference is, when democracy, women's rights and the end of slavery were tried in practice, everyone benefited. Contrary to socialism, when socialism was tried, in practice, everything turned to shit. We're not talking hypotheticals, we're talking real results
by Grand Proudhonia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pm
by Australian rePublic » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Capitalism doesn't like it very much when you try to regulate it or put restraints on it. Governments are pressured into reducing regulations to keep businesses from moving away and to retain market confidence, commercial news media reflects its interests, and people tend to think short-term and think they're better off if consumer goods are cheaper even if social services are being slashed to permit lower taxes - right up until the minute they end up requiring them. The constant barrage of advertising helps bolster this faulty logic and disguise what is being taken away.
It is no coincidence that social democracy is in a decades-long retreat - without the plausible threat of imminent revolution capital is able to force a gradual slide to the bottom by using its power to tighten and narrow the parameters in which governments can operate.
Miami Shores wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Many left-wing places tend to champion communism. My question is why? Sure, capitalism can be, and often is, taken too far, companies can be above the law, but what we need for that is better regulation, not socialism. Socialism simply doesn't work. Everywhere that's tried socialism has turned itself into a shithole- Russia, under the communists, was a shithole. Sure, it wasn't the most democratic place under the Tsar, but it wasn't that much of a shithole. China- I know what everyone's gonna say "China is capitalist"- Yes, China is less communist now, than it was 30 years ago, but it's also less of a shithole now than it was 30 years ago. Coincidence? Venezuela- Venezuela is a shit hole, at least partially due to socialism. North Korea- shit hole, etc. etc. etc.
Yet, we have Westerners who champion this crap. Almost anyone who has lived in a socialist country will tell you, through their first hand experience, that socialism is shit. Sure, capitalism isn't perfect, and unregulated capitalism causes a lot of problems. In my opinion, the best balance is centrist/left-leaning capitalism, like we have in Australia, the Nordic countries and parts of Europe. And sure, America takes capitalism way, way too far, but I'd rather live in America than any socialist country, and most people would agree. And sure, there are poor people under capitalism, but far fewer than what there are under communism. My question is, why do people champion socialism/communism? It f**king sucks!,Your forgot to mention Cuba as a communist socialist shithole nation
Yes, Cuba too. I'm not going to catalogue the economic systems of every individual country,I know from experience. On paper communist socialism is nice, the problem is once all the means of production are owned by the state or the people, their cant be any opposition to anything and it creates an automatic dictatorship.
by Grand Proudhonia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:17 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:19 pm
by Joshenia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:20 pm
Bombadil wrote:Joshenia wrote:Simply put the idea of communism itself presents us with a utopia where everyone is equal in wealth and social status but this idea cannot work because of human nature and other factors in its purest form the same way capitalism has never been practiced in its purest form. It is championed because the idea is beautiful and makes people feel good. Well all want good things after all.
Well I'm sure they said democracy, women's rights, end of slavery etc., couldn't work because of human nature as well.
by Aethergestra » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:21 pm
by Miami Shores » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:21 pm
by Bombadil » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:22 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Bombadil wrote:
Well I'm sure they said democracy, women's rights, end of slavery etc., couldn't work because of human nature as well.
The difference is, when democracy, women's rights and the end of slavery were tried in practice, everyone benefited. Contrary to socialism, when socialism was tried, in practice, everything turned to shit. We're not talking hypotheticals, we're talking real results
by Grand Proudhonia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:23 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Grand Proudhonia wrote:We have working cases of feudalism. Capitalism cannot boast something like that.
While I see where you're coming from, communism was given numerous tries already. If it was given no tries or only a few, that argument that it simply was not given that opportunity would stand.
by Grand Proudhonia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:24 pm
Miami Shores wrote:All the so called democratic socialist nations and governments of Europe rely on a capitalist economy of small private businesses and large corporations.
by Grand Proudhonia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:24 pm
Aethergestra wrote:So many threads blaming the left for all their ills. When will it end? Saying socialism doesn’t work and such is just going to make socialists who believe it will work or inevitably fail upset or angry so please stop.Like capitalists and the right-winger types are any better. Allowing tax breaks for rich people or preaching against globalism when globalism is what keeps our modern world going.
Such backwards thinking and traditional thought from conservatives is not progress for fuck’s sake.
by Joshenia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:25 pm
Aethergestra wrote:So many threads blaming the left for all their ills. When will it end? Saying socialism doesn’t work and such is just going to make socialists who believe it will work or inevitably fail upset or angry so please stop.Like capitalists and the right-winger types are any better. Allowing tax breaks for rich people or preaching against globalism when globalism is what keeps our modern world going.
Such backwards thinking and traditional thought from conservatives is not progress for fuck’s sake.
by Miami Shores » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:25 pm
by Australian rePublic » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:25 pm
Aethergestra wrote:So many threads blaming the left for all their ills. When will it end? Saying socialism doesn’t work and such is just going to make socialists who believe it will work or inevitably fail upset or angry so please stop.Like capitalists and the right-winger types are any better. Allowing tax breaks for rich people or preaching against globalism when globalism is what keeps our modern world going.
Such backwards thinking and traditional thought from conservatives is not progress for fuck’s sake.
by NoAvailability » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:29 pm
by Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:33 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Many left-wing places tend to champion communism. My question is why? Sure, capitalism can be, and often is, taken too far, companies can be above the law, but what we need for that is better regulation, not socialism. Socialism simply doesn't work. Everywhere that's tried socialism has turned itself into a shithole- Russia, under the communists, was a shithole. Sure, it wasn't the most democratic place under the Tsar, but it wasn't that much of a shithole. China- I know what everyone's gonna say "China is capitalist"- Yes, China is less communist now, than it was 30 years ago, but it's also less of a shithole now than it was 30 years ago. Coincidence? Venezuela- Venezuela is a shit hole, at least partially due to socialism. North Korea- shit hole, etc. etc. etc.
Yet, we have Westerners who champion this crap. Almost anyone who has lived in a socialist country will tell you, through their first hand experience, that socialism is shit. Sure, capitalism isn't perfect, and unregulated capitalism causes a lot of problems. In my opinion, the best balance is centrist/left-leaning capitalism, like we have in Australia, the Nordic countries and parts of Europe. And sure, America takes capitalism way, way too far, but I'd rather live in America than any socialist country, and most people would agree. And sure, there are poor people under capitalism, but far fewer than what there are under communism. My question is, why do people champion socialism/communism? It f**king sucks!
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