by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:13 pm
by Gormwood » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:16 pm
by Jebslund » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:21 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:25 pm
by Pacomia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:28 pm
by Gormwood » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:29 pm
Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing.
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:46 pm
Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing, with the pilot just being held for years. Probably won’t end the same way, though. Not entirely confident that he’ll return safely.
by Jebslund » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:02 pm
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing, with the pilot just being held for years. Probably won’t end the same way, though. Not entirely confident that he’ll return safely.
Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:10 pm
Jebslund wrote:Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?
In a word: No.
Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
by Gig em Aggies » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:13 pm
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.
Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?
by Farnhamia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:14 pm
Jebslund wrote:Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?
In a word: No.
Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.
Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:16 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.
Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
That's not how the US debt works, you know. China did not lend us money, they bought our treasury bonds. If they sell them, other countries and people will buy them, and they lose the interest they were earning on them.Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?
I'd say we shouldn't debate hypotheticals. Torturing the Fedex pilot would be wrong and Fedex would immediately stop delivering in China. See how long they can deal with that.
by Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm
by Farnhamia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:18 pm
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Farnhamia wrote:That's not how the US debt works, you know. China did not lend us money, they bought our treasury bonds. If they sell them, other countries and people will buy them, and they lose the interest they were earning on them.
I'd say we shouldn't debate hypotheticals. Torturing the Fedex pilot would be wrong and Fedex would immediately stop delivering in China. See how long they can deal with that.
I didn't know that, good to know. Thanks.
That is true and a fair point. So is China just going to release the pilot?
by The South Falls » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:19 pm
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:22 pm
The South Falls wrote:The only way someone dies with airsoft pellets is if they choke on 'em. Bullshit.
by Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:39 pm
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:45 pm
by Gig em Aggies » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:48 pm
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:50 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:51 pm
by Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:56 pm
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:04 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Chinese cops are being dumb if the guy only had airsoft pellets
by Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:05 pm
by Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:08 pm
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